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we're going to try to bring together for

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experiences abductions or encounters and

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let each of them talk with you briefly

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for no more than about 10 minutes we're

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going to take a very short break at that

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time no more than 10 minutes and then

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everybody come back in and ask questions

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from the audience so we will have a

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little break in between the people

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presenting their own material

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and then we'll take all the questions

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from the audience that we can get in our

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time allowance there will be a break

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regular break after that we'll bring out

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the abduction researcher panel

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again they will go through

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no more than 10 minutes of presenting

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material background and so on and then

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let the audience ask questions at that

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point so i hope you'll all hang around

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for the question and answer period

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and uh

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we will bring on our researchers in just

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a moment i mean our abductees in just a

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moment if you'll hold with me i'm

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missing just one and as soon as i round

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all right now that we've got the

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technical difficulties out of the way

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and everybody's here i'm going to let

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each of our members of the panel tell

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you who they are and about their

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experiences themselves and

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we've taken a vote among the

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panelists and they voted for leah to

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begin because after all she's the least

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nervous she's already been up here today

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after leo

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after leo hand it to the gentleman on

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your left and then we'll pass it down to

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the lady on your right and just keep on

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going from there

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time's time's on we're on now right can

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okay all right um i'm not going to talk

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very long because i spent an hour and a

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half talking

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earlier today so

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i'm just going to say a few brief things

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my name is leah haley i'm from

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i've had abduction encounters throughout

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my entire life but i didn't remember

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them really until 1990

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i've been abducted by

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various types of

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creatures i call them

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different people have different names

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for them

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also have been abducted by military and

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or government people i know there's a

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among investigators as to whether these

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things are really people

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or not they're people i was there i know

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they're people

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a lot of people have trouble buying that

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mainly what i'm going to say right now

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as a result of questions that i've been

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receiving all day

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one question that i've

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encountered is why did i lose my job

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in relation to this

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phenomenon

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i was teaching an accounting course at

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the air force base those who heard me

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earlier know that i encountered some

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after i was oh another thing i didn't

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mention earlier because i had a time

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problem

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originally had intended to say so i'll

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make up a few of them right now

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one thing that i didn't emphasize

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air force officer

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invited me out to the air force base to

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see the space shuttle he insisted that i

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bring my camera

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so i could take some real good close-up

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he kept telling me over and over again

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be sure to bring your camera

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he also insisted that i not tell anybody

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not even my husband that i was invited

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to come out

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this invitation was extended to me alone

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after that i refused to teach another

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accounting course on base

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and there is no way i will ever

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voluntarily step foot on an air force

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base again and that's when i lost my job

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why won't you teach at the base anymore

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so i i didn't quit i said i won't quit

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but i won't teach on base either so i

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circular marks on my back

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and a mark on buddy crumley's arm and

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that um bill couldn't undergo hypnosis

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he had real good reasons not to undergo

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hypnosis in that john carpenter did a

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regression on me concerning my marks and

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i had no memory whatsoever

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none of how those marks got there

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regression done on him too

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and he remembered struggling

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but he did not remember

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who or what he was struggling with there

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no memory whatsoever of who or what did

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we're at a loss there um i know george

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wingfield mentioned last night

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there were several people several others

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who had an identical mark

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discovered that the only marks that we

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confirmed were similar

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marks not identical

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the three of us

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as having that same exact mark

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that if any of you investigators

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abductees

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other members of the audience

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if you have seen or had a mark exactly

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like ours and know how it got there

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please let us know

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we want to know who put those marks or

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what put those marks on us

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none of us have any idea it's a mystery

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that we would really like solved

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we're not interested in knowing about

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similar marks now you know

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i've had similar marks and i know how

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they got there

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it's the exact marks that we're

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interested in

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and i'm going to

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allow you the use of the rest of my time

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questions are lighter vents

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hi i'm vince hi everybody

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sorry i i got asked to come up here

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i'm pretty reluctant

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first of all i'm sweating beyond belief

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i've never been hypnotized nor am i i am

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not going to be hypnotized i'll tell you

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that right now i'm perfectly comfortable

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with my array of images from my early

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childhood

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i do not need to explore

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the parts that i don't remember period

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it's been around since i've been a kid

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from every everything from that bald guy

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from when i was real real little who

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seemed to be when i was real little it

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seemed to be so tall by my bed

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to flying down the stairs a little later

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on and trying to tell my mother the next

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morning watch me fly

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and she laughed and

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i went outside so do it go outside so i

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went outside and i tried and of course i

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a major sighting when we were 15 me and

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my mother used to deliver a large

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newspaper out and

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when i was 15 coming up over the 48th

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street bridge in pompano beach florida

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because that's where i grew up in fort

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lauderdale in boca raton

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we've seen this disc come straight out

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of the sky

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almost instantly from an incredibly

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bright star to right over us

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it was not 20 feet above the car in the

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and and we watched it go right down i-95

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afterwards because we're right on top of

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the bridge it goes over i-95 and it

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and then this time in alabama

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when i was coming home from the 90 mufon

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symposium

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and it was i know it's going to sound

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believable it was morning or friday the

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13th okay

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and i'm in the middle of nowhere i mean

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nowhere on alabama 82 or 81 i forget the

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name of the number of the road it was

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like four o'clock in the morning and

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watched this light follow me for several

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hours and this ain't right so i got out

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the car and i took a picture of it and

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just as i took a picture this is the

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i didn't know anything about photography

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just as the flash went off this light

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started moving towards me so oh god

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what's this i jump in the car i'd never

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shut it off and i took off like a

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banshee and

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about 90 miles an hour just as

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just as about just as this thing was

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closing in on me as these two this

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car come around the corner

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and uh and shot off like a rocket

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a bunch of stuff like that

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my my most recent missing time and this

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dude this is the one that convinced me

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that's the only reason i'm up here

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really this is the one that convinced me

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that that something might be going on

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about

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six or seven months ago

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maybe a little longer a little shorter

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i'm not exactly sure but i got home from

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work and i beat the rain

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and i was dry

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and i was sitting in the house and it

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was quarter to eight and i wanted to say

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you know i was watching tv and watch see

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what's coming on

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and i look up against the wall and

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and there's this very square i'd say

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about two foot square

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incredibly intense halogen bright is the

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term i like to use

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bright light and

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and the next thing i know

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about 11 30 i hear i can't remember it

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was leno or letterman or arsenio hall

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but one of the shows was on and i was

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soaking wet the front door was wide open

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jean and

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and uh my stepdaughter were all they

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were out in foresight they were spending

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the night with grandma um her mother and

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stacy's grandmother and next thing i

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know i'm laying face first in a bed

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soaking wet from head to toe the door is

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wide open and the dog is long gone

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long gone up until that point it was

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fanciful things you know well maybe a

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coincidence here coincidence there but

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to me that is the one event

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and that you know i'm kind of guy i

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believe i don't believe a lot of things

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and you're going to sell me so easily on

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that to me is the real the one

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real i call it a real time event where i

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can consciously without any hypnosis

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consciously remember a time then there's

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no time and then i'm awake

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that's a real time event for me uh

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and if it happened to you it would be a

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real-time event for you and i hope i'm

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well that's it for me

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my heart is pounding can you hear it

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i hope i can get through this because my

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my name is debbie jordan

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used to be debbie tomia until june and

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now it's debbie jordan

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but most people know me

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as kathy davis and bud hopkins book

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intruder

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the reason i'm up here is because

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a lot of things have been happening

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since 1983

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that are different

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than what happened in 1983

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it's not

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i haven't had anything happen since then

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quite like that

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it seems like it's changing and i'm

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changing it's

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fascinating and frightening

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and i want to know if other people like

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i've been having a lot more encounters

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with little white balls of light

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in my house

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and anywhere i go

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i had

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people witness it down in florida

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i've developed an ability to feel

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which makes no sense i know it sounds

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i've started to dream in 3d

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and i

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i know it sounds crazy but i feel like

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i'm getting smarter

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so

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i knew that when i was in school

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in uh junior high

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they'd

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all the other kids and i

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got

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a decent score good enough score that

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they called my parents in to tell them

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that i was goofing off too much because

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yeah and my parents are here

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but anyway

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it was like between i think

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i read it and i think it was 118 120

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after i started to dream in 3d i call

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them my virtual reality dreams because

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that's the only thing i can think of

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that would most closely closely describe

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i decided to take a test

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to get into this group called menza

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and i did really well i got in the top

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well seems to me like with a score of

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118 when you're 14 and then 20 years

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the norm

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i'm not sure but

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the only reason i did it was because i

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felt different and i wanted to see if

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back that up

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i started talking to my friends who

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are like me i don't like the words

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abductee

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doesn't feel right

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um

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i don't know what i call them like me

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and i found out that if i promised not

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to tell anybody they they were

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they were feeling the same way but they

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were also feeling the same way i was and

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that they didn't know whether they

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should say something or not because it

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sounded even more crazy than all the

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other stuff we've been telling these

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guys

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for a while

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i had

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i've always said that

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i still

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refer to a lot of my stuff as dreams

368
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because it's still safe

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i

370
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well anyway

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my mind is blank

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i didn't know i was going to have to say

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anything

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i didn't know i was going to be here

375
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till last night

376
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so i didn't have anything thought up in

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my head other than i just want to know

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if

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will

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people like me please come and tell me

381
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and and let's go tell these researcher

382
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guys that something's happening and

383
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let's look into it some more because i

384
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that's about all i have to say so i

385
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guess i'll

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hi

387
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i hope you can hear me my voice is

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really kind of faint and have a strong

389
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,959
voice

390
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my name is lynn

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and i wanted to tell you something that

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had happened to me with the ufo

393
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,000
problem we've all been having up here

394
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,400
i wrote a lot so that i could kind of

395
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follow my notes and not

396
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no

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um four years ago i went on a retreat in

398
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st louis missouri and it was around fall

399
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so it was getting cold

400
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i was at a main lodge with many of my

401
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friends

402
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when i decided to go to a cabin that was

403
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about

404
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i walked out and was admired just

405
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admiring the sky and how beautiful it

406
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,600
was and i remember remember saying

407
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,080
something to myself something like if

408
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you're out there i really want to see

409
00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:44,070
so i heard the leaves kind of roll

410
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across the ground and a breeze blow by

411
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me

412
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and

413
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on my right there was a hill

414
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and immediately i was enveloped in some

415
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kind of tubular field

416
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:00,000
i couldn't see it but i could feel it

417
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,559
two creatures floated towards me

418
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,400
and i felt greeted by them and invited

419
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to go with them and they spoke telepathy

420
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with me they never talked

421
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i floated with them to what appeared to

422
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be an old broken down shack

423
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and as i got closer to the shack it

424
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,400
looked more holographic transparent to

425
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,240
me

426
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,640
i could see a disc shaped ship inside

427
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the image of the shack and i was led

428
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,160
inside the craft where i could see uh

429
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:30,960
where i was introduced sort of you might

430
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,840
want to say to human aliens on my left

431
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,440
and sometimes i can't remember if there

432
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,160
were two or three i get confused

433
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,360
human aliens standing there

434
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,440
they motioned to me with their heads

435
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,840
started for me to turn around and

436
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,000
and they were introducing me

437
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,120
sort of like to a taller creature

438
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he was a very very tall alien

439
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,400
and he was standing with his back

440
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
to me

441
00:19:01,190 --> 00:19:00,000
it seemed like i floated directly in

442
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:01,200
front of him

443
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,960
and this tall robed alien rotated around

444
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,440
and looked straight at me

445
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:10,080
the cloak was really unusual

446
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,440
because it really wasn't made out of a

447
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,520
material that i could tell it looked

448
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:15,440
like a

449
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,480
poured into a form like water into a

450
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,000
glass

451
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,640
it was just fascinating

452
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:27,120
and his eyes were just

453
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:30,880
unbelievable just unbelievable

454
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,039
i looked into this one's eyes and it

455
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,120
seemed to me

456
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,720
that he could see

457
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,799
every part of who i was and what i was

458
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,840
about

459
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,080
and i knew him and he knew me that's the

460
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,640
only way i can describe it i felt

461
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,200
spiritually exposed and i knew that he

462
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,679
was spiritually exposed to

463
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,520
so what i would call that in my own

464
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,360
interpretation is something like a mind

465
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,990
that's the only way i can explain it

466
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,640
this alien seemed to smile at me but but

467
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:02,480
he didn't smile

468
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:05,520
physically with his face

469
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,240
i felt some type of approval from him

470
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,520
and then um

471
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,799
all of a sudden my body then began to

472
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,520
just shake just like every atom in my

473
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,440
whole presence was just shaking and

474
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,240
shaking so fast and faster

475
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,240
and then all of a sudden my whole body

476
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,120
seemed to explode in a silent explosion

477
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:30,080
and i remember looking at my arm

478
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,760
and seeing light emanate from my body

479
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,320
what i thought was my body it had

480
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,799
transformed into something else

481
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,400
and then i remember looking back up at

482
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:41,600
his eyes

483
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,840
my whole essence went clear into his

484
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,840
eyes into another universe into another

485
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,360
plane

486
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,280
and i can't remember how long i was

487
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,840
there i remember is like floating around

488
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,400
in free space like i was in total

489
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,280
freedom time didn't exist there at all

490
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,480
period

491
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,520
and

492
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,919
the exhilarats was incredible just

493
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,120
incredible

494
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,760
i remember that he took me to a place

495
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,000
that seemed like a desert what i would

496
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,240
call a desert

497
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,320
where he talked to me about particular

498
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,720
things and taught me certain things

499
00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:23,990
let's see

500
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the next thing i remember

501
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,159
is i remember going into the lodge to

502
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,159
pick up my coat

503
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,240
and i came back to the lodge and

504
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,919
everybody asked me where had been

505
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,240
because as i was leaving they were

506
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,240
planning to play a record for me so they

507
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,559
were observing me leave because they had

508
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,480
already planned to do something for me

509
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,480
and waiting for me to get back

510
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,000
and um

511
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,840
i could recall a little bit of what had

512
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,200
happened to me

513
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,360
but i couldn't quot quite call recall at

514
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,400
all

515
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,559
and they kept asking me well where did

516
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,559
you go and i said well i just went to

517
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the cabin to get my coat and they said

518
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,760
well you couldn't have because we sent

519
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,440
two people to get you

520
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:03,039
and there's no turn off it's just a

521
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,000
straight

522
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000
walk and it should have only taken me 10

523
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,919
to 15 minutes

524
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,760
but i didn't say too much and then i got

525
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,360
it home i got home

526
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,080
and two days later it just like

527
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,640
bombarded me a lot of the memory of what

528
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,159
had happened

529
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,240
and

530
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,720
i was i wrote a letter to the

531
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,799
to the retreat

532
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,159
and told them what had happened to me i

533
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,200
didn't expect any response from them

534
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,720
and

535
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,799
i went on the search trying to find

536
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,520
people who understood uh

537
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,720
alien

538
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,799
intervention with with spiritual

539
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,720
approach and it was very difficult to

540
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,080
find i didn't think anybody would

541
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,919
believe this

542
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,080
how could an alien i i thought aliens

543
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,600
would come down and

544
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,000
have a gun strapped to their waist and

545
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:52,320
say take me to your leader and little

546
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,240
shark guys on and on but it wasn't quite

547
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,480
what i expected

548
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,600
so

549
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,559
my experiences are ongoing

550
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,400
they happen

551
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,120
pretty frequently

552
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,960
my family has had experiences now and um

553
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,600
now that i think about it i remember

554
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,440
all kinds of experiences when i was a

555
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,400
child

556
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,720
they used to visit me and we used to

557
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,200
play with spheres and i remember holding

558
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,039
them and we would just

559
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,520
move them around with our mind

560
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,000
and i remember them leaving me at one

561
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,919
point in time when i was a child and how

562
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,000
upsetting it was it was almost parental

563
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,159
that my parents were leaving me or some

564
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,760
some sort of thing

565
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,760
and i remember getting quite upset about

566
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,880
it

567
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,799
and

568
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,799
i didn't have any experiences for a long

569
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,559
time since they had left me when i was a

570
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,240
child and then as an adult they started

571
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,159
happening again

572
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:51,279
so that's my story

573
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,269
hi i'm gene robinson i've had a lifetime

574
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,520
of abductions

575
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,559
and

576
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,640
too much to go into the 10 minutes i

577
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,400
have i

578
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,919
mainly want to talk about what's been

579
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,880
happening recently

580
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,960
we all talked about this big happening

581
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,400
of 92

582
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,080
which seemed to be a washout since there

583
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:27,669
sightings and stuff but to me

584
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,950
unusual

585
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,360
started in 92

586
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:39,590
seems like i'm

587
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,950
sense of

588
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,960
consciousness

589
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,000
it seems somewhere in between

590
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,039
the physical state

591
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,000
and the dream state

592
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,029
it's i'm tuned it's like i'm tuned in

593
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,029
to a lot of information i'm getting a

594
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,640
lot of

595
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,600
stuff

596
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,919
just pouring into my head

597
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,720
i used to receive the

598
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,120
telepathic messages

599
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,799
and i got

600
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:18,240
spooked

601
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:22,159
about this time last year because

602
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,320
some little incident made me feel like

603
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,400
besides the information i was writing

604
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,520
down

605
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,880
i was also getting

606
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,000
subliminal messages and to me it felt

607
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,360
like

608
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:40,640
i was being programmed to not trust the

609
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,510
it it didn't match what i was writing

610
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,440
down so i didn't understand it so i

611
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,200
decided i wasn't going to do this

612
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,279
anymore

613
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,679
and it was at that point that

614
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,520
i realized i really couldn't shut it off

615
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,840
it was this same area i was getting this

616
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,000
information from

617
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,600
so it's kind of a constant thing

618
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,470
recently

619
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,000
i've felt it

620
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,520
i feel like um there's an influence

621
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,600
in my life both positive and negative

622
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,640
i'm

623
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,760
not

624
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,600
in any shape to really

625
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
process it all i don't know

626
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,640
who to trust i don't know

627
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,080
you know you have

628
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,919
good aliens and bad aliens good

629
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,080
government bad government

630
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
and

631
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,000
at some point we all

632
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:37,760
say we have this

633
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:44,710
and not know what well i had

634
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:48,480
my first one of those was

635
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,159
one day about six weeks ago

636
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,159
i said well i need to write the

637
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,679
president

638
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:57,120
and

639
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,440
started

640
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,919
for about a week i revised this letter

641
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,600
over and over and

642
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,039
made sure

643
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,799
it was what i wanted to say because i

644
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,559
felt like

645
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,320
the timing of this

646
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,120
was not of my doing

647
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,760
but the content of the letter was so i

648
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,720
put

649
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
everything into that letter

650
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,880
um

651
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,120
and a week passed and i went over and

652
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,799
over you know all the possible

653
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,440
consequences of what might happen

654
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:31,120
but it was like a finger poking me in

655
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,000
the back

656
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,440
you know you got to mail this now you

657
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,600
got to mail this now

658
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,399
so i took it to the post office

659
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,279
and i felt like i was uh

660
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,200
you know walking to the gallows do i

661
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,000
really want to do this no no no no

662
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,120
so you know i shoved it in a slot

663
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:51,279
and uh

664
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,770
kind of an interesting

665
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,000
[Music]

666
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,480
eerie aspect of it was the day i mailed

667
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,240
the letter was the day the world trade

668
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,840
center blew up

669
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,080
and that night or the day after i'm not

670
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,760
sure which was the day

671
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,360
karish

672
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:07,279
did his custer's last stand thing in

673
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,320
waco

674
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,480
and i'll always feel like

675
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,760
you know

676
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:13,919
i felt connected in a way

677
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,440
those incidents and it spooked me

678
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,640
but this letter

679
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,520
in a way it felt like my last best cry

680
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,120
for help because

681
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,240
there is things going on constantly

682
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,480
and i appreciate all the researchers you

683
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,600
know and everything they're doing but

684
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,840
what's happening to me now

685
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,480
seems to be moving a lot faster

686
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,919
than

687
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,399
anybody can keep up with

688
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:45,039
um

689
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,279
and like i was in the military and

690
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,039
you know you did a swearing-in thing and

691
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,440
i believed in what i was doing

692
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,039
and

693
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:56,799
i uh

694
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,510
i feel like

695
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,230
i needed to um you know a lot of people

696
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,840
have been

697
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,000
been harassed by the government and i

698
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,600
have never

699
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,520
really

700
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,279
you know had anything to judge one way

701
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,720
or another in a way

702
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,919
i'm like

703
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,200
i want

704
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,600
a conference well not a confrontation

705
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,480
but

706
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,520
an acknowledgement because

707
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,320
to me it appalls you have the general

708
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:31,039
public laughing at us like we're

709
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,240
you know

710
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,000
making it all up

711
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,760
the government

712
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,919
either ignores us or or

713
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
um

714
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,360
you know says it's a mass hallucination

715
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:42,640
this and that

716
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,520
but it seems to me that

717
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,440
even if it is a mass hallucination

718
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,880
whatever it is

719
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,679
that

720
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,760
you think somebody'd be interested

721
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,600
interested enough to do a study on it

722
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,480
because there's thousands of us out here

723
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,310
it's you know it's

724
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,399
pretty much

725
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,559
seriously affecting my family my

726
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,080
children

727
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,559
it's hard to

728
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,080
you know go to work and pretend like

729
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,760
nothing's happening i can't hardly do

730
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:15,840
that anymore

731
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,230
you know

732
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,760
i just want to know

733
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,760
why if the government knows anything

734
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:26,159
that could help us

735
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,880
that

736
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,799
you know i i know how they do they have

737
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,919
a military has a need to know basis well

738
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:34,080
i need to know and i need to know

739
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,200
anything

740
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,360
about you know what's happening to me

741
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,960
because

742
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,559
you know there's definitely something

743
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,320
happening

744
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,320
and

745
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:46,960
that's basically what i have to say

746
00:30:52,370 --> 00:31:00,310
[Applause]

747
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:02,789
hi i'm lynn

748
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,080
i live in a small town in in arkansas

749
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,480
and i hope you'll forgive me i i knew

750
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,840
that i was going to be scared to death

751
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:11,919
and i wrote the whole thing

752
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,830
my conscious knowledge of personal

753
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:21,200
involvement with the abduction

754
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,960
phenomenon began only one year ago

755
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,799
the event that led to the discovery of a

756
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,679
bizarre reality in my life occurred over

757
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,840
20 years

758
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,000
ago due to the unusual nature of the

759
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:35,360
occurrence

760
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:41,269
and was referred to an eminently

761
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
qualified professional hypnotherapist

762
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,559
and at this time i would like to say

763
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:49,519
that it that is john carpenter and i'm

764
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,549
after an exchange of pertinent

765
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,720
information it was determined that

766
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,440
enough symptomology existed to warrant

767
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,760
hypnosis to recover some possible

768
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:03,679
blocked memories

769
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,279
i fully expected and i desired a mundane

770
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,240
answer to my questions

771
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,320
intellectually i'd entertain the notion

772
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:15,039
that alien life could exist somewhere

773
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,159
out there

774
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,720
but i had never thought about it on a

775
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,320
visceral level

776
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:22,320
and i i had not thought about what it

777
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,630
21 years ago

778
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,679
on a warm sunny day a family member and

779
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,080
i had attended some business in a large

780
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,880
city in central arkansas

781
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,120
around one o'clock in the afternoon we

782
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,440
left the city to begin the trip home

783
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,559
a trip of approximately three hours

784
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,720
we were both relaxed and in a pleasant

785
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,840
mood

786
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,960
after two hours of driving time

787
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,679
we approached a small town a road crew

788
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,519
was doing some blasting on the highway

789
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,880
that day

790
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,799
and signaled the traffic in our lane to

791
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,840
stop

792
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:01,919
we were the lead car and there were

793
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,799
three or four other cars behind us

794
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:06,799
after clearing the road the crew allowed

795
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,519
us to continue and we slowly approached

796
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,279
our turn at the junction of an

797
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,360
intersecting highway

798
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,240
we both recalled seeing the turn

799
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,360
and then everything went blank

800
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,600
after an interval of grogginess we

801
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,279
suddenly found ourselves on an

802
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:26,880
unfamiliar paved road with no road signs

803
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,320
or other indicators of our location

804
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,279
the road appeared new and unused both of

805
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,760
us were extremely agitated

806
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,919
and began looking for a turnaround

807
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,000
hoping we would find familiar territory

808
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,760
by turning back

809
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,559
we finally found a very small area that

810
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,080
allowed us to turn the car in the

811
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,080
opposite direction

812
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,320
after several minutes we entered the

813
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:52,799
town from the wrong direction but we had

814
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,950
we finally made our turn onto the

815
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,360
intersecting highway and continued the

816
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,760
drive toward home extremely puzzled

817
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,399
about what had just happened to us the

818
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,800
area was very rural and the road was

819
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,040
lined with large trees

820
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:13,200
both of us felt a sense of unease and a

821
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,200
desire to get home as soon as possible

822
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,440
after we drove a short distance i

823
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,240
glanced out the left-hand window and saw

824
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,320
a silver object in the sky that seemed

825
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,240
to be pacing us

826
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,560
i pointed it out to my family member who

827
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,399
was driving

828
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,560
neither of us could determine any

829
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,280
identifying marks and heard no sound

830
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,240
although our windows were rolled down

831
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,040
we both wanted it to be an airplane even

832
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,159
though it had no wings or tail

833
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,560
i watched the craft for several minutes

834
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,280
and it continued pacing us sometimes

835
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,879
briefly hidden from view behind the

836
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,800
large trees

837
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,119
eventually i looked away from the object

838
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,480
and when i looked again it disappeared

839
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,200
when we arrived home we realized that we

840
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,680
had lost about an hour of time somewhere

841
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,440
during the trip

842
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,440
we told other family members of the

843
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,760
strange occurrence and even returned to

844
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,000
the town shortly afterward

845
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:13,760
specifically to try to locate the

846
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,200
peculiar road we'd been on that day

847
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,480
the missing time plagued us off and on

848
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,960
over the intervening years and finally

849
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,920
after 20 years i could no longer stand

850
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,560
not knowing what had happened to us

851
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,880
i began a concerted effort to locate

852
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:32,880
someone who could help us break through

853
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,320
the amnesia of that day

854
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,800
under separate independent hypnosis

855
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,599
sessions my family member and i explored

856
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,520
the events that had occurred during the

857
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,920
hour of missing time

858
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,920
with no knowledge of what the other had

859
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,079
recovered under hypnosis

860
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,240
our memories indicated substantive

861
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,440
corroboration of an abduction by beings

862
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,040
that were anything but human

863
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:01,040
both of us recalled reaching the turn in

864
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,160
the road

865
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,200
and having a tremendous force physically

866
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,000
lift our automobile into the air with us

867
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,520
still inside unable to move

868
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,240
after a short period of time we found

869
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,720
ourselves in a round seamless room with

870
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,640
a domed ceiling

871
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,040
i reported that my family member and i

872
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,760
were separated at this point as i was

873
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,599
led down a hall

874
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,000
my family members stated seeing me let

875
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,720
off down a long hallway by three alien

876
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,760
beings

877
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,839
one smaller than i and two about my

878
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,200
height

879
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,760
i was taken into a brightly lit room

880
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,920
where a physical examination and other

881
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,800
medical procedures were performed

882
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,960
my family member was shown several rooms

883
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,440
during this time as if receiving a tour

884
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,200
of the craft

885
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,599
finally after a period of time i was

886
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,240
taken into another room where i rejoined

887
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,160
my family member

888
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,560
we were released shortly afterward and

889
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,480
re-entered our car apparently having

890
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,520
been placed on the wrong side of town

891
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,560
we turned on the engine and drove off

892
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,079
soon realizing that we were in

893
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,240
unfamiliar territory

894
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,000
from that point on our conscious

895
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,280
memories had taken over

896
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:17,599
my questions had been answered and the

897
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,839
events of that lost hour were no longer

898
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,599
missing several of my family members and

899
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,400
i have explored many other shared and

900
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,440
individual encounters in the past year

901
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,520
both consciously remembered and through

902
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,079
the use of hypnosis

903
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:36,640
invariably the shared encounters have

904
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,760
contained corroborative information

905
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,599
these encounters have occurred during

906
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,680
both day and night

907
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,280
in my family

908
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,359
at least the abduction phenomenon

909
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,599
appears to be intergenerational and

910
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,200
ongoing

911
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,680
it has shattered my complacency and

912
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,079
belief in a small world view

913
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:58,000
and has forced me to see things in a

914
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,510
and that ultimately is why i'm sitting

915
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,440
here before you today

916
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,720
from the reaction of my family friends

917
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,280
co-workers and myself

918
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,119
i know that the urge to deny the

919
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,160
abduction phenomenon is very strong but

920
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,359
ladies and gentlemen it is real

921
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,560
in the final analysis the only defense

922
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,760
we have against the unknown is knowledge

923
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,680
and it's in the hopes of gaining that

924
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,760
knowledge that i accept future

925
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,119
encounters

926
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,680
for knowledge will not be gained through

927
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,680
denial

928
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:39,060
thank you

929
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,440
[Applause]

930
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,119
i think you can see that everybody's

931
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,599
experiences are varied and yet there are

932
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,520
some unifying feelings that we've all

933
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,200
had to go through at one time or another

934
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,280
with this experience

935
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,160
if you have questions comments for our

936
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,400
panelists we're going to take only 10

937
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,079
minutes we're starting without you if

938
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,760
you're not here in 10 minutes and i'm

939
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,440
assuming there'll be a microphone for

940
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,680
questions so you can line up at that

941
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,880
point we're going to let everybody have

942
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,800
a little get your nerves back together

943
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,640
break and then we'll have questions so

944
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:18,240
come right back or don't leave if you

945
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,190
all right we're ready to start questions

946
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,040
from the audience if you have a question

947
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,920
for anyone in the panel

948
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,079
there is a microphone

949
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,440
at the head of the stage area

950
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,280
like these women have done if you have a

951
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,760
question come up and get in line we're

952
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,280
going to take one question each and try

953
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,280
to keep them to a specific question so

954
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,440
that the people can answer fully a

955
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,599
smaller question rather than vaguely a

956
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,280
larger question and if you would direct

957
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,119
it to whoever on the panel you would

958
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:57,119
like to ask the question from

959
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,240
all right

960
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,839
this is for debbie it's not really a

961
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,280
question i just wanted to let you know

962
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,640
that you're not the only one who's

963
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,880
experiencing this this acceleration of

964
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,200
the genius um robin quayle who's

965
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,960
hypnotherapist from atlanta she's

966
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,440
regressed over 600 people who've been

967
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,839
had ufo-related experiences and from

968
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,839
this group she's discovered a group that

969
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,680
has that she's called extraterrestrial

970
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,520
telepathic intelligence phenomenon and

971
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,359
she's calling them prodigies and there

972
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,200
are many people who are doing exactly

973
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,280
what you're doing they're having relate

974
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,400
some sort of interaction with

975
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,880
extraterrestrials and their iq is

976
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
accelerating dramatically so you're not

977
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,880
the only one and please come back and

978
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,319
talk to us and if anybody else in the

979
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,920
audience has had that experience please

980
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,839
come back and talk to us and we can give

981
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:39,200
you some more information and help you

982
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,710
this is for any of you um do you

983
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,319
sometimes get to the point where like

984
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,839
when you're going to sleep at night

985
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,040
you're afraid to because you know

986
00:41:03,990 --> 00:40:53,200
there's something that's going to happen

987
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,670
i used to do that every night

988
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,800
at one point in my life i was like

989
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,400
staying up half the night and sleeping

990
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,160
in the day because it was safe everyone

991
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:15,680
else would be awake in the day and i

992
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,190
i just

993
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,270
i think a little bit i got i got tired

994
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,280
of being scared

995
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,359
when i started to feel

996
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,440
that

997
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,720
something was going to happen i don't

998
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:35,920
know the word anticipation or anxiety i

999
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,950
did something else

1000
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,960
i called a friend

1001
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,720
and talked or i went

1002
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,319
and found somebody and just talked to

1003
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,280
him until i got it under control

1004
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,280
and then i figured this way well if

1005
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,800
anything did happen at least i'd sleep

1006
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,880
through it and that'd be all right

1007
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,760
so

1008
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,680
anyone else

1009
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,560
on the panel to me

1010
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,119
sleep is kind of a relief anymore

1011
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,640
because

1012
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,040
you know it kind of like debbie i'm

1013
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,839
having these really

1014
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,359
realistic

1015
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,160
dreams that

1016
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,880
some of them are almost like games

1017
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:19,200
um they're so

1018
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
so

1019
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,920
clear and like

1020
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,839
real time

1021
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,109
i don't know maybe it's my mind sorting

1022
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,480
out everything it needs to but

1023
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:34,960
i have more anxiety during the waking

1024
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,150
anyone else

1025
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,430
okay

1026
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,440
what i noticed is that there are

1027
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,359
subtleties especially with the animals

1028
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,680
in the house that's that's where i keep

1029
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,720
my attention focused um they

1030
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:54,640
because they're closer in touch with the

1031
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,240
earth than we are because of our

1032
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,119
our emergence into thought

1033
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,000
they notice field changes different

1034
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:06,240
more easily if that's the correct

1035
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,200
grammar

1036
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,280
they notice those things quicker than we

1037
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,040
do it seems

1038
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,640
i could be completely off on that one

1039
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,599
but my dog especially which stays off

1040
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,440
the wall stays off the beds and stuff

1041
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,760
and this dog will just go nuts

1042
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,599
after

1043
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,760
what seems to be an encounter of some

1044
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:25,680
sort the dog just

1045
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,960
totally turns into another animal

1046
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,880
that dog the day that he took off out of

1047
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,560
the house with me he didn't come back

1048
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:34,800
till the next day he's a little fox

1049
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,550
there was just one period of time where

1050
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,599
i had trouble falling asleep at night

1051
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:49,280
and that was

1052
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,440
from july 8 1990 when i i discovered the

1053
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,280
possibility of having had these

1054
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,640
encounters

1055
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:57,520
and

1056
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,960
the first set of hypnosis sessions

1057
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,160
in march of 1991

1058
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,599
it was more the fear of the unknown

1059
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:08,960
than

1060
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,560
once i

1061
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,760
discovered what the creatures really

1062
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,920
were doing to me and

1063
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:20,560
that i was brought back safely and and

1064
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,920
all of that i was no longer afraid to go

1065
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,000
to sleep it was just the period of time

1066
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,040
between

1067
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,800
my realization that these things

1068
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,599
possibly could be real and the hypnosis

1069
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,440
sessions that i had trouble going to

1070
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,760
sleep i didn't have trouble after

1071
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:38,800
i went through regression

1072
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,870
for those of you who have children have

1073
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:49,680
they been having experiences and if so

1074
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:01,190
yes

1075
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,750
one of my children is definitely having

1076
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,520
things go on

1077
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,520
and it is picked up

1078
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:09,440
it's very traumatic

1079
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,330
there's

1080
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,319
[Music]

1081
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:14,480
she's having a hard time too

1082
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:15,040
um

1083
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,400
[Music]

1084
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,560
you know

1085
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,319
dealing with it

1086
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,839
with her

1087
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,079
everyday life as far as school and

1088
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,480
things go um

1089
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,520
the only thing i can do is just

1090
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,480
be supportive and understanding and

1091
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,319
and

1092
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,079
you know i try to protect her the best i

1093
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,720
can but there's nothing i can really do

1094
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:44,829
cleaning up the emotional aftermath

1095
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,720
and you know i i just be as supportive

1096
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:50,240
as i can

1097
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,359
at least

1098
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,280
um she

1099
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,319
has

1100
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,440
someone she can talk to about it where

1101
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,280
when i was going through the same things

1102
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:00,880
as a child

1103
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,390
this stuff i have two boys and they're

1104
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,119
big boys even though they're just barely

1105
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,440
teenagers they're huge

1106
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,440
but they've had stuff they've seen

1107
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,720
things and they had their own

1108
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,040
experiences since they were

1109
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:21,520
two or three and four years old

1110
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:22,400
and

1111
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,520
that's 12 still gets scared by the stuff

1112
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:30,960
the older one seems to be more

1113
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,000
able to he he's more interested about it

1114
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,560
now he wants to know more

1115
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,000
the younger one

1116
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,599
still gets scared by it and the best

1117
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,520
thing only thing i know how to do

1118
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,880
is try to

1119
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,720
try to raise them up the best way i can

1120
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,000
give them

1121
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,680
confidence in themselves

1122
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,760
that way you know

1123
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,960
when they get old at least they won't be

1124
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,720
like their old lady and worry about they

1125
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,839
were nuts

1126
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,319
they'll believe in themselves and they

1127
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,319
know they can they have people that they

1128
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,560
can talk to you know me and

1129
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,319
and my boyfriend and my mom and dad and

1130
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,160
everybody about the stuff so they don't

1131
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
feel like they're alone

1132
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,280
and i think that's just about all you

1133
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,079
can do really because you can't be in

1134
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,160
control what's happening but you can be

1135
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,280
in control how you deal with it

1136
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,599
anybody else on the panel i have three

1137
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,160
kids i have a 21 year old girl

1138
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:22,000
a 13 year old boy and a seven-year-old

1139
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,040
girl

1140
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,040
and they've all had experiences among

1141
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,240
themselves

1142
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,720
i remember one night when i woke up i

1143
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,720
heard my son saying

1144
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,920
i don't want to go i don't want to go

1145
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,760
and he kept mumbling this over and over

1146
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,520
again and i only remember i got up and

1147
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,359
went in his bedroom and

1148
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,000
and put my hand on his arm and said it's

1149
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,920
your choice you don't have to go if you

1150
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,559
don't want to go

1151
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,839
and when he got up in the morning he

1152
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,920
didn't remember anything

1153
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,200
but i do tell my kids this is a choice

1154
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,559
i don't feel

1155
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,400
threatened by them

1156
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:57,599
and

1157
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,680
the one fear i think my kids do have is

1158
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,000
telling other kids i always say keep it

1159
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,520
to yourself

1160
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,280
if somebody says something to you that

1161
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,599
has heard about my experiences don't

1162
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,400
defend me it's not needed

1163
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,000
just say oh well

1164
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,520
things happen

1165
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,200
and walk away from

1166
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,920
that's my fear as my kids will be made

1167
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,760
fun of at school and instead of saying

1168
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,400
your mom wears combat boots

1169
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:27,119
your mom goes to space

1170
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:28,319
so

1171
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:32,960
i don't like ridicule and i don't want

1172
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,240
my kids being made fun of

1173
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,400
but i am a realist i know that it

1174
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,880
probably will happen at some time

1175
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,440
so i try to face it and give them clues

1176
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,270
i have two daughters one's 19 and the

1177
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,359
other 16.

1178
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,119
before i went to springfield for my

1179
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,960
first set of hypnosis sessions i had to

1180
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,880
give them some kind of an explanation as

1181
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,480
to why i was going

1182
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,400
i didn't really quite know what to say

1183
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,040
without telling a lie because you know

1184
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,960
it seems so absurd

1185
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,000
so what i told them was that my brother

1186
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:10,160
and i had seen what we believed to be a

1187
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,280
spaceship

1188
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,520
when we were children and i was going to

1189
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,599
springfield to to find out if that

1190
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:18,720
really was a spaceship or not

1191
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,240
my older daughter said mom

1192
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,720
whatever you find out i don't ever want

1193
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,280
to hear about it

1194
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,319
and

1195
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,160
discussed it

1196
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,319
she's overheard me talking on the phone

1197
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,240
from time to time and she's made it

1198
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,240
evident by slamming doors and things

1199
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,319
like that that she didn't quite approve

1200
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,400
of my conversations

1201
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,480
and i've had to be

1202
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:46,160
real

1203
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,800
and try to respect

1204
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,880
her

1205
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,960
need to

1206
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,280
to not be involved in this i'm not

1207
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,160
trying to shove it on anybody

1208
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,880
my younger daughter

1209
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,599
wanted to know everything

1210
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,640
that

1211
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,319
i found out

1212
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,200
and

1213
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,880
i tried to

1214
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,599
kind of sugarcoat things and

1215
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,119
and she

1216
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:19,599
she just wouldn't allow that

1217
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,160
she wanted to know specifics details etc

1218
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,800
i've always been a firm believer in when

1219
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,200
a child asks you a question

1220
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,960
you know if they're ready to ask it

1221
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,520
they're ready for the answer and so if

1222
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:36,000
she comes to me and asks me a question i

1223
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,200
answer it

1224
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,000
the best that i can

1225
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,720
i i'm not certain

1226
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:45,200
that either of them has had experiences

1227
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,319
but

1228
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:49,280
i tend to believe that they both have

1229
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,880
my older one when she was younger

1230
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,839
um about

1231
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,400
two or three four years old wouldn't go

1232
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,000
out in the backyard

1233
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,599
it had a chain link fence on it she

1234
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,520
wouldn't go out there by herself because

1235
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,240
she was was afraid of strangers

1236
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,839
and i didn't know what that meant but

1237
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,680
now i wonder

1238
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,079
the younger one has had dreams that

1239
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,440
she's told me about that seem

1240
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,480
um to closely parallel

1241
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,400
the ones that i had that turned out to

1242
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,119
be real encounters

1243
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,520
and uh you know she's she's had dreams

1244
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,839
of being in a force field that was

1245
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,800
taking her out of the house and she was

1246
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,359
struggling and screaming for me and

1247
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,720
and i wouldn't to respond she said

1248
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,920
and

1249
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,319
she said that she had a dream in which

1250
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,720
she and i both were aboard craft and i

1251
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,319
was in another room doing she didn't

1252
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,319
know what but

1253
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,000
while i was in the other room one of

1254
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,079
these alien creatures that she described

1255
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,640
as being exactly like the one you saw a

1256
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,040
picture of and she had not seen my

1257
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:57,680
picture either at that point in time but

1258
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:03,829
this alien was showing her a model of

1259
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,640
the spacecraft and explaining the

1260
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:09,760
propulsion system to her

1261
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,640
she's the type of person that

1262
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:15,920
would understand that kind of thing

1263
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:18,319
so um

1264
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,359
i just

1265
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,349
i don't make an effort to discuss this

1266
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,319
with her but if she comes to me and

1267
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,960
feels the need to discuss it then then i

1268
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,200
will i've tried to present it all in as

1269
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:36,000
much a positive light as possible

1270
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,200
to

1271
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,599
minimize her fear

1272
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,200
thank you

1273
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:43,440
do we have another question

1274
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,760
okay what right this lady will be next

1275
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,280
i'd like to say that i've had

1276
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,079
experiences since i was very young but i

1277
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,559
was lucky enough that my parents had

1278
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,280
friends that got me on the right road so

1279
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,760
i wouldn't feel like i feel like you

1280
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,400
guys feel i'm a positive feeling about

1281
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,800
it they told me to make myself look

1282
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,800
beautiful when i went to bed

1283
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,000
for the angels that would take me

1284
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,520
into a

1285
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,280
dreamland

1286
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,440
and i was always told that they were

1287
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,839
angels therefore i thought of them as

1288
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,040
angels i thought i was lucky you know

1289
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,160
and i i didn't remember my dreams until

1290
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,240
i got a little bit older and i saw

1291
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,559
different things but i never had a

1292
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,160
negative

1293
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,160
feeling that i'm i'm getting from

1294
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,640
everybody that's telling their story

1295
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,480
i actually feel

1296
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,040
sorry for most of you except the lady in

1297
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:41,599
the gold here in the middle

1298
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,680
i feel she's had a wonderful experience

1299
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,720
and

1300
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,400
i feel mine

1301
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,880
yeah i've been on the table and had all

1302
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,119
those all those things stuck on me but

1303
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,800
they give me a sex dream instead so it

1304
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:57,200
doesn't matter you can laugh at when you

1305
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,559
wake up because you don't remember you

1306
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,319
don't feel the pain

1307
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,000
and as long as they take the pain away

1308
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,400
from you they're probably just making

1309
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,800
you ready for the big change

1310
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,000
that we're going to go from the third

1311
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,839
dimension to the fourth dimension our

1312
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,119
bodies are going to be changing they're

1313
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,040
just trying to keep track of us to make

1314
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,480
sure we're going to be able to handle

1315
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,319
the change

1316
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:17,920
do you have a question

1317
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,030
i have a comment

1318
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,920
no not every bottle um

1319
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,000
let's have a comment

1320
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:32,000
they didn't take my pain away they did

1321
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,390
i remember

1322
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:41,040
a lot of stuff that was really scary and

1323
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,480
it hurt

1324
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,319
i don't hold it against anything or

1325
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,760
anybody

1326
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,079
and i feel like i'm

1327
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,000
in some kind of a twisted way a better

1328
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,480
person because of this i don't see it as

1329
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,119
all negative

1330
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:57,440
i didn't get any negative or positive

1331
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,640
feelings from whatever this was i had

1332
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,559
more of a sense of this is something

1333
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,960
that's got to be done and we're doing it

1334
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,960
but it was not an intentional thing for

1335
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,880
you to be injured but i'm not going to

1336
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:16,069
you know perfect either

1337
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,030
and so i like i i like to think i took a

1338
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:21,920
bad situation and made the best of it

1339
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,829
but

1340
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,119
you know

1341
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:28,960
maybe

1342
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,880
kind of my guy was different kind of guy

1343
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,480
than your guy i don't know

1344
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,920
i wish i'd have got sex dreams

1345
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:39,520
that have been the closest i'd ever

1346
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:53,670
i'd like to to say something to that um

1347
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,960
one thing that that is real prevalent in

1348
00:56:03,349 --> 00:55:59,599
in all of this abductee thing is

1349
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,359
whether it's good or bad

1350
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,839
and that was one thing that came up real

1351
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,920
early in

1352
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,680
my situation

1353
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,000
and it was something that that

1354
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:13,839
is very hurtful

1355
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,960
it's not something i think that

1356
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,799
i think that all of us need to be very

1357
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,119
very nice and kind to each other because

1358
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,440
we're all in it together

1359
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,760
and the experiences that we have are

1360
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:27,839
very subjective

1361
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,920
each one of us the same thing could be

1362
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,319
happening to every one of us but we take

1363
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,520
with it our own baggage we

1364
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:38,559
you know

1365
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,000
and you you cannot say that any person

1366
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,559
is wrong for feeling that it was

1367
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,559
negative or wrong for feeling that it

1368
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,160
was good

1369
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,400
because i i do feel that it is very

1370
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,400
subjective

1371
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,000
and

1372
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:56,160
i think

1373
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,880
we uh it's a hard enough situation that

1374
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,760
that we we just need to be good to each

1375
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:04,880
other

1376
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,160
don't add to the situation um you know

1377
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:10,400
by we already have an alien problem

1378
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,069
and i wanted to add that

1379
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,920
of course i didn't have enough time to

1380
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,400
get into everything this morning

1381
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,280
but i've encountered a variety of what i

1382
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,960
call creatures

1383
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,200
and

1384
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:37,839
the majority of my encounters have been

1385
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,559
extremely positive but i have had a few

1386
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,280
that were negative and i'm sorry but i

1387
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,160
just don't see how you can interpret a

1388
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:51,599
reptilian rape as something positive

1389
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:52,839
and

1390
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:57,829
you know

1391
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,040
i just had both and

1392
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,440
when somebody asked me that question

1393
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,640
i'll tell them honestly that

1394
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,480
that some of them have been positive

1395
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,799
some of them have been negative

1396
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:11,520
i

1397
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,680
can and

1398
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:31,760
and try to help my daughters with it the

1399
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:34,839
best that i can but

1400
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,079
um and we can't i don't believe

1401
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,119
categorize them all as you know all

1402
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,920
good or all bad

1403
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,079
i think that it's important that we

1404
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:48,240
realize that we have

1405
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,280
both

1406
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,079
i i wish that i could say that we all up

1407
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,799
here experienced only positive

1408
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,720
encounters

1409
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,040
and they were all supposed to help us

1410
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,480
grow

1411
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,359
but unfortunately that's not the case

1412
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,030
only thing i got to say about it is

1413
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,000
i think linda howell put it best a year

1414
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,079
or a year and a half ago

1415
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,319
the difference between cultures

1416
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,480
in between here in south america and

1417
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,400
we're all in the same continent

1418
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,520
um we're in the same hemisphere

1419
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,240
is vast between here let's say in costa

1420
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,240
rica or brazil

1421
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,559
between us and the natives in the rain

1422
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,880
forest it's a vast contrast between us

1423
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,160
and them

1424
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,480
and i think as i said again and i think

1425
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,880
as linda said it best is that they are

1426
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,480
alien to us

1427
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,880
their way of looking at their codes

1428
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,319
morals and ethics are alien to us and we

1429
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,920
are alien to them

1430
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,200
and

1431
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,599
what you know i may be totally wrong in

1432
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,640
this but

1433
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,119
a rape or whatever to them maybe just

1434
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,240
scientific procedure in every way shape

1435
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:01,280
or form and to us it's a total violation

1436
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,160
of our

1437
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,000
ethics laws

1438
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,799
criminal non-criminal whatever

1439
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,280
but the thing in here i think to keep in

1440
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,240
mind is that they are alien to us in our

1441
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:15,119
way of thinking and that's important to

1442
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,319
remember

1443
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,400
when they perform these procedures on

1444
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:24,309
i think

1445
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,190
i used to be like you i felt very

1446
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,359
positive about this

1447
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,400
but

1448
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,440
over the last year or so

1449
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:34,880
i

1450
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,920
um

1451
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:47,200
i can't

1452
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,119
twist it into a positive experience um

1453
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,040
i've been you know

1454
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,920
told that i should think more positively

1455
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,680
about it i

1456
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,799
i'm

1457
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,000
you know that

1458
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,160
maybe i'm going through early menopause

1459
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,400
you know anything like that other than

1460
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,160
the real thing but

1461
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,079
i don't feel like i'm totally negative

1462
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,319
about the negative experiences because

1463
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:13,040
what i have gained is an appreciation

1464
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:13,760
for

1465
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:17,200
humanity as it is

1466
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,079
and

1467
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,799
i think humanity's most

1468
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,920
valuable

1469
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,160
resource is free will and i don't

1470
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:26,480
appreciate being forced to do something

1471
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,270
thank you one more response okay

1472
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,520
i think that we can't deny the fact that

1473
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,960
there are destructive people in the

1474
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,520
world with different motives and

1475
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:41,280
although my experiences have been very

1476
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,079
positive i have been really lucky i feel

1477
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,319
and i wouldn't say that it's because i'm

1478
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,920
better than anybody else or more

1479
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,640
enlightened than anybody else

1480
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,359
i really can't give you specifics of why

1481
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:55,200
mine were only positive

1482
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,079
but

1483
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:58,160
the aliens have different motives they

1484
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,920
have different personalities and people

1485
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,240
have different personalities and i have

1486
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,359
never seen a reptilian type thing so

1487
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,400
i couldn't say what would happen to me

1488
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,960
so they do have different motives

1489
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:12,880
and i think there's room for it all i

1490
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,440
can do is speak for my experiences but

1491
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:17,760
it doesn't deny the fact that there are

1492
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,680
destructive motives out there

1493
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,119
thank you

1494
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,359
and do you want one more thing all right

1495
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,640
please

1496
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:28,640
i may not have another opportunity to

1497
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:31,359
say this but i just wanted to thank all

1498
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:34,960
of you researchers investigators

1499
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,839
directors of organizations whoever you

1500
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,760
are whatever it is that you're doing to

1501
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,160
help us i think on behalf of all

1502
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:44,240
abductees um

1503
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:46,839
i can say that we really sincerely

1504
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,079
appreciate all the time all the money

1505
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:52,160
that you're devoting to help us out and

1506
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,789
i know that we could sit here and i

1507
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,799
would love to i have lots of questions

1508
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,319
for our panelists the rest of the

1509
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,160
evening and i'm hoping to persuade those

1510
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:09,680
of you who are willing to come back

1511
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,319
after the abduction researcher panel and

1512
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,240
be available for more questions from the

1513
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:16,000
audience we're going to take

1514
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,079
is it 10 minute break lou

1515
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,400
and then our abduction researchers will

1516
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,200
come up and present a brief um

1517
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:25,119
presentation and take questions and then

1518
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,559
we're going to try to get all of these

1519
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:28,559
people back up here for more questions

1520
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,309
i'm cheyenne turner and i'm going to be

1521
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,920
the moderator for

1522
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:42,079
the research researchers involved with

1523
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:43,599
the abductions

1524
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:44,400
and

1525
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,599
i would like to explain just a little

1526
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,119
bit of how i got

1527
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:49,839
involved with some of this field

1528
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,960
i was

1529
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,039
president of a group in dallas

1530
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,640
the mufon metroplex for about four years

1531
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,480
and i would get many many calls from

1532
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,160
abductees who were in a great deal of

1533
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,440
pain

1534
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,079
didn't know who to go to

1535
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,559
and just needed someone you know to hear

1536
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,000
their story

1537
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,599
and that's how i originally met carla

1538
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,839
and i remember when um she and her

1539
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,839
husband were sitting in my living room

1540
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:17,920
giving me their story and

1541
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,039
obviously in a great deal of distress

1542
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,760
and i helped them find someone to go to

1543
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,720
to

1544
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:27,839
do the hypnosis and regressions and i

1545
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,589
the

1546
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:33,599
researchers really give a great deal of

1547
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:35,839
their time and effort and i think

1548
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:38,720
they're really to be commended because

1549
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,760
it takes a lot of understanding

1550
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:44,000
and i think that we all owe them a great

1551
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:45,880
deal of thanks

1552
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,359
[Applause]

1553
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,720
what they're going to be doing is

1554
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,640
introducing themselves giving a little

1555
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,720
bit of their background and what their

1556
01:05:01,349 --> 01:05:00,400
research involves

1557
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,359
so

1558
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:03,760
we will start

1559
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,039
on this end with forest crawford

1560
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,640
i made linda sit in the middle so she'd

1561
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,880
get all the attention too

1562
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,480
i talked a lot about symbol stuff

1563
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,400
earlier so you know that i like

1564
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,839
controversial correlations or

1565
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,160
correlations in general but what may not

1566
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,000
have been evident is that i'm very

1567
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,160
involved in abduction research as well

1568
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:24,880
and uh have a training as a

1569
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,079
hypnotherapist extensive background in

1570
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,920
ufology so to speak i've been doing it

1571
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,599
for a long time that's kind of what i

1572
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:33,119
bring to the

1573
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,480
abduction

1574
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,720
research phenomenon and have

1575
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,400
worked with abductees essentially in the

1576
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,160
st louis area but uh

1577
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:42,960
all over the country as well and a lot

1578
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,920
of the information that i present comes

1579
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,400
from their experiences in fact almost

1580
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:49,920
all of it does except for when i tell

1581
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,280
you it's something weird that happened

1582
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,280
to me

1583
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,359
and it comes from their experiences and

1584
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,440
the correlations that come out of that

1585
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,760
work and the communications in there so

1586
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,799
uh

1587
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:02,960
i rely heavily on

1588
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,480
my relationship with with the abduction

1589
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,720
and contact uh

1590
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,720
experiencers if you will

1591
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:12,319
that i work with

1592
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,280
because they're the ones that are

1593
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,440
bringing the pieces together we're just

1594
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:17,039
kind of helping them realize that that's

1595
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,430
well it was the animal mutilations that

1596
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,240
led me to human abductions the two i

1597
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,839
think are related

1598
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
in relationship to the phenomenons

1599
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,680
intrusion on the planet

1600
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,599
and

1601
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:35,920
i've never been actively involved in

1602
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:38,799
terms of the therapy side

1603
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,200
or the hypnosis side but what happened

1604
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,680
is that because i was doing

1605
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,680
programs that were relating to the

1606
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,119
subject matter

1607
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:49,920
i began to be a lightning rod for people

1608
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,640
sending me audio cassettes

1609
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:55,520
and letters and at this point it seems

1610
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,480
like hundreds of drawings

1611
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,319
because they wanted to be able to share

1612
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,319
something with someone

1613
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,799
that they felt that they could at least

1614
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,799
i guess and whether it was anonymously

1615
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,079
or

1616
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,240
giving me their name and their number

1617
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,240
sharing experiences

1618
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,599
and now

1619
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,920
over time it seems that

1620
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:18,640
what has been valuable from my point of

1621
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,799
view in research is that

1622
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,520
totally apart from hypnosis i have been

1623
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,680
seeing these patterns that are emerging

1624
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,520
from dozens and dozens and dozens of

1625
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,400
people

1626
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:30,880
from all over the united states

1627
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,240
some are also coming from south america

1628
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,960
and i'm seeing the same drawings from

1629
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,880
people who don't know each other and

1630
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:40,720
live on two different coasts

1631
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:43,680
and i i hope that there is some value

1632
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:46,640
value in contributing uh these patterns

1633
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,000
in this evolving alien taxonomy

1634
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:52,720
that i am uh trying to continue to

1635
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:53,680
gather

1636
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,039
uh because it may be that there are

1637
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:59,280
might be screen memories as some people

1638
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,480
suggest

1639
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,200
and that the menagerie might be

1640
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,039
something that's testing us on the other

1641
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,520
hand occam's razor would suggest that if

1642
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,000
you go for the simplest possible

1643
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,480
answer or reason for why there is this

1644
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,160
pattern of

1645
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,960
similar descriptions it's because there

1646
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,520
are actually different

1647
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,120
whatever they are

1648
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:23,920
involved in various people's lives and

1649
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:26,560
that is an area of research that

1650
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,679
that provokes me in this huge phenomenon

1651
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,679
that includes many

1652
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:33,839
facets as we've been discussing the last

1653
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,990
my name is john carpenter

1654
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:42,560
and i have the position in the mutual

1655
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,199
ufo network of director of abduction

1656
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,600
research uh it's i was just thinking

1657
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:49,359
here it's real interesting five years

1658
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:53,040
ago i came as a naive listener

1659
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,560
and was learning from people like linda

1660
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,719
about what all was going on

1661
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,560
and today it felt more like a family

1662
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,759
reunion

1663
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,759
i knew everybody up here that spoke

1664
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,480
today they all knew me and i knew so

1665
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,040
many people out there in the audience so

1666
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,279
uh this is becoming less of a conference

1667
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:14,960
and more of a reunion uh every year

1668
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:17,359
anyway i got into all of this because i

1669
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,480
volunteered and uh

1670
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,319
i thought it would be interesting if one

1671
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:25,040
day i might get to sit in on one

1672
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,159
case

1673
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,759
and

1674
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,960
it kind of went uh the other way

1675
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,839
have a lot of people sit in on my

1676
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:34,560
sessions

1677
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,839
which are now probably uh oh

1678
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:39,199
several hundred

1679
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,159
um

1680
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,319
i work in springfield as a licensed

1681
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,799
clinical social worker and had training

1682
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,239
in hypnosis

1683
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,359
and um it's been a real interesting

1684
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,239
journey uh like everyone has said today

1685
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,080
we don't know where all it's going but

1686
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:57,520
i'm in it now for the ride and i'm

1687
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,120
fascinated with everything that comes up

1688
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:02,640
and part of my

1689
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,520
position now is to try to get other

1690
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,320
mental health professionals helping and

1691
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,640
helping in the right way because there's

1692
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,520
obviously as you've heard here today

1693
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,440
a real need

1694
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,560
and we don't want just anybody you know

1695
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,120
trying to take this on in in in

1696
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,280
providing the help because it's a it's a

1697
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,880
special kind of help as you've heard

1698
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,320
from the

1699
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,040
as i will call them participants in this

1700
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,679
odyssey that were up here a few minutes

1701
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,840
ago

1702
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,280
they need a special kind of

1703
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,120
understanding this is such a unique and

1704
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,880
bizarre phenomenon

1705
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,520
and you just can't go in a 50-minute

1706
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,679
hour with some psychologists and expect

1707
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:45,360
to unravel it all

1708
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,480
and it's just it just requires you know

1709
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:49,920
many hours

1710
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,719
uh last weekend when i was with john in

1711
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,880
atlanta and but and

1712
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,800
david jacobs and and we were talking

1713
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,280
about even what but hopkins does and we

1714
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,000
all spend like uh three to four hours

1715
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:04,480
each time we meet with somebody because

1716
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:07,600
it just requires that much support and

1717
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:08,800
and

1718
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,040
right

1719
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,960
and and so it's real important that

1720
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,880
other professionals just don't jump in

1721
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,320
thinking oh this is something new and

1722
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,840
interesting and i'll just fit it into my

1723
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,120
little schedule

1724
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,080
it doesn't work that way

1725
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,400
so i think that as

1726
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,560
we've been doing the the conferences it

1727
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,239
came out of the

1728
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,480
roper report

1729
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:35,360
in

1730
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,800
professionals at a time around the

1731
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,320
country and really trying to give them

1732
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,640
the best information the best ideas of

1733
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,760
how to help

1734
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,600
ironically i think a lot of those

1735
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,600
professionals that show up are showing

1736
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,880
up because they've already had

1737
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,280
experiences

1738
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,000
they've told us that a lot of times so

1739
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:55,840
uh you know the numbers in the roper

1740
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,400
poll are probably exactly right in and

1741
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,280
as we were saying uh perhaps uh very

1742
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,360
conservative numbers

1743
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,040
so obviously there's a need out there

1744
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,520
and i find myself really trying to help

1745
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,120
i get calls from california and

1746
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,400
minnesota and florida all in one night

1747
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,159
which is hard when my four-year-old is

1748
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,080
tugging on my leg and wanting me to go

1749
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,600
play a game with him

1750
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:20,239
so it's been a real challenge but

1751
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,920
there's no way i'm going to quit there's

1752
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,800
no way i'm going to stop

1753
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:27,280
it it has to be seen through all the way

1754
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,390
yeah i'm john mack i won't um burden you

1755
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:38,960
with another speech i i

1756
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,229
what i cannot resist saying is how

1757
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,800
profoundly entering this field changes

1758
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:48,840
everything in your life

1759
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:51,520
personal uh professional

1760
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,800
uh your energy systems um i and one of

1761
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,560
the things i want to mention

1762
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:59,040
john uh talked about the fact that you

1763
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,719
need to set aside three or four hours

1764
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:03,199
well there's a big economic aspect of

1765
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,480
this

1766
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,880
most psychiatrists are

1767
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,320
set up or other mental health

1768
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,400
professionals to do one hour the

1769
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,719
reimbursement structure only reimburses

1770
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:14,000
for one hour

1771
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,800
and

1772
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,600
think one of the things this is forcing

1773
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,000
us to do is to examine the

1774
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,159
rather rigid structure of the mental

1775
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,080
health professions with regard to

1776
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,280
therapy and treatment if you were

1777
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,920
to do a 45 minute hypnosis session or a

1778
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,120
whole session you've only left 50

1779
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,000
minutes it's a little bit like a surgeon

1780
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,880
who goes in to do a

1781
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,880
resection of a piece of the bowel and

1782
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,760
gets gets it out and looks as watched as

1783
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,679
well it's 50 minutes there's no time for

1784
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:45,199
sewing up here we'll just leave the

1785
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,159
person with the abdomen open and uh

1786
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,640
you know leave i mean that's it has

1787
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,920
pointed out the

1788
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:53,360
uh

1789
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,159
the

1790
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,840
way in which our profession is

1791
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,440
structured not according to human need

1792
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,880
but according to the convenience of the

1793
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,719
therapists and i think that

1794
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,239
has to be looked at differently the

1795
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,239
other thing that it's changed for me

1796
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,920
is the whole notion that there is such a

1797
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:07,760
thing as an expert who knows something

1798
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,159
and this person has this problem that's

1799
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:11,840
all changing

1800
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,280
working with abductees is totally

1801
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,880
non-hierarchical they know something and

1802
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,880
if i can help facilitate that knowledge

1803
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,520
and learn from that and be of use then

1804
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:22,560
that's

1805
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:26,719
the model of the old doctor

1806
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,719
doctor-patient hierarchical model so

1807
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:30,239
it's forcing

1808
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,280
me to totally re-examine the whole model

1809
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,400
of how i do treatment and therapy

1810
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,159
not just in this area but how our

1811
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,719
profession is structured so i think this

1812
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,520
this work has the possibility of uh

1813
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,120
radically uh

1814
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,040
uh

1815
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,719
showing us ways of reforming and

1816
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,199
restructuring how we do uh

1817
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,960
support counseling therapy whatever you

1818
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:54,239
want to call it in the in the mental

1819
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,990
well before i say anything i'd like to

1820
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,040
say that

1821
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,520
it's wonderful to have an end to the old

1822
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,679
patient doctor hierarchy i think i can

1823
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:08,000
speak for many patients out there

1824
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,210
so thank you i'm carla turner

1825
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,040
[Applause]

1826
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,520
i think i may be the only one on this

1827
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,360
stage who came into this research

1828
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,120
because of the experiences my family and

1829
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,560
i were going through

1830
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,640
and like cheyenne said we did get to

1831
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,520
someone who gave us extremely valuable

1832
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,400
help

1833
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,920
when we needed it

1834
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,840
and

1835
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,920
i also want to say thank you to the

1836
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,440
folks who are trying to educate our

1837
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,120
mental health professionals because i

1838
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:38,960
did turn to those in the community where

1839
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,520
we lived every single one of them

1840
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,760
none of them would work with us

1841
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,840
it was something that they would be left

1842
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,239
out of the profession for doing

1843
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,920
and i hope that you can reach all of

1844
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,199
these people and i want to give you a

1845
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:53,040
specific name and address to include on

1846
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:54,000
your next

1847
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,350
this being the case where we were and

1848
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,199
for a lot of people where you are we had

1849
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,960
to turn to each other to other people in

1850
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,840
this predicament for help and found some

1851
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,840
excellent help i will not say we had to

1852
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,520
settle for it i think we were lucky to

1853
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,880
get it

1854
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,560
but in the course of working through

1855
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,120
what my family and i had been through

1856
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,679
i've developed an association with the

1857
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,800
researcher working with us and became as

1858
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,640
much of an assistant as i could in her

1859
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,480
research and have continued to do that

1860
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,840
to this day

1861
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,000
i am not the primary hypnotist believe

1862
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:32,080
me but i make sure the people who want

1863
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,920
regression who ask for regression do

1864
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,600
have someone that they can go to that i

1865
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,560
trust with my life and with my children

1866
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,400
i wouldn't recommend anyone that i

1867
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,800
didn't have very good recommendations

1868
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,239
from people they had already worked with

1869
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,840
and i think that's important for any of

1870
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:47,760
you to know about

1871
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,430
a backdoor researcher in a front door

1872
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,960
abductee i'm in a very different

1873
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:56,880
position from a lot of the researchers

1874
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,960
because i have a very personal stake in

1875
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,120
how the research goes

1876
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,800
and therefore perhaps some of my

1877
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,000
feelings are going to be a little bit

1878
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,159
different than the others that you will

1879
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,080
have heard or will hear

1880
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:10,560
i do find that i can sit outside as the

1881
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,560
abductee and look at the researchers as

1882
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,880
you guys and say why are you guys doing

1883
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,800
this or doing that why aren't you doing

1884
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,239
this or doing that

1885
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,920
and then on the other hand

1886
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:22,239
other abductees or experiencers who come

1887
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,600
to us

1888
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,679
put me in the position of the researcher

1889
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,199
trying to make sense they want some

1890
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,560
answers some solutions some explanations

1891
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,719
and i'm back on the other side of the

1892
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,719
fence here so i can sympathize from both

1893
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,960
ways and and i can tell you in my

1894
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:39,040
opinion on both sides of the fence the

1895
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,480
researchers need to get their acts

1896
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,159
together a little bit better on some

1897
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,040
things there is too much

1898
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,520
jealousy there is too much hoarding of

1899
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,440
information and while

1900
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,600
researchers fight over these things

1901
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,280
abductees go on going through these

1902
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:55,199
experiences not getting anywhere so i

1903
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,560
think we've gotta have to clean the

1904
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,800
whole act up a bit

1905
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,239
secondly on

1906
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,320
the side of whether which we've heard

1907
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,320
raised here the past two days the

1908
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,400
question of good aliens bad aliens good

1909
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,000
experiences bad experiences good

1910
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,159
abductees bad abductees and it's come to

1911
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,800
that in many cases from the research

1912
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,920
that the

1913
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,360
researcher i work with is barbara

1914
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:17,920
bartlett from the research of well into

1915
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,440
the hundreds of cases approximately 500

1916
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,360
including those that i have worked with

1917
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,719
and have brought

1918
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,800
research investigative material into the

1919
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,320
fund from

1920
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,640
we see that you cannot say

1921
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,640
if you're going to be true to the data

1922
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,000
you cannot say

1923
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,320
that a person's experiences when they

1924
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,040
have an encounter reflect that person's

1925
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,239
inner being that person's moral strength

1926
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,719
or lack of it that person spiritual

1927
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,880
evolution or lack of it because as leah

1928
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,440
pointed out the same person can have a

1929
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,280
positive experience one time and a

1930
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,880
negative one the next time and this is

1931
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,040
the same person

1932
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:58,239
so there is an objective reality that is

1933
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:59,600
different in some

1934
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,159
experiences from others no matter who's

1935
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,560
experiencing them and if i had to stake

1936
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,560
anything right now which is a

1937
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,159
bad thing to do to put money on the

1938
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,080
table and any answers to these questions

1939
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,000
right now the things i would feel

1940
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,400
strongest on putting money on are that

1941
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,520
there are a variety of alien types

1942
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,600
although we have many cases where two or

1943
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,679
more types are involved in a person's

1944
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:24,159
abduction as if they're working together

1945
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:25,760
we don't know what that means but we

1946
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,920
know that some of the experiences are so

1947
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,920
intrinsically different that there seem

1948
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,760
to be many agendas

1949
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,440
not just one

1950
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,440
so you can't put a good label or bad

1951
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,360
label on the entirety when you have

1952
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:39,199
diverse things that are not in the same

1953
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,480
pot

1954
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,480
i think the one thing we the research

1955
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,080
shows is that there are many things

1956
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,400
going on that don't fit the patterns

1957
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,239
that are nice neat patterns if you look

1958
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,760
at just what one group is doing you're

1959
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,679
going to get some patterns if you pull

1960
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:53,360
in what's happening to everybody you're

1961
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:54,800
going to get some things that won't fit

1962
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,280
in any category or any pattern

1963
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,840
so looking for neat answers i think is a

1964
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,600
limiting way to approach it from what

1965
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:03,120
the people we've worked with have

1966
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,480
experienced

1967
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,159
and trying to put everything into one

1968
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,760
pot is defeating because you're not

1969
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,120
going to get everything in there without

1970
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,960
chopping off somebody's arms or legs or

1971
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:12,719
other experience that doesn't fit the

1972
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:17,110
other than that

1973
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,790
okay thank you

1974
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,719
we're now going to open the floor for

1975
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:26,080
questions

1976
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:27,120
if you'd like to come up to the

1977
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,639
microphone

1978
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,840
and

1979
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,520
present your question

1980
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:35,040
and do try to make them as brief as

1981
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,030
i guess this will be for anybody

1982
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,880
um a lot of the speakers have said

1983
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,800
something about the environmental damage

1984
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,560
that we're doing to the planet

1985
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:49,520
and how the aliens feel about that and

1986
01:20:59,210 --> 01:20:50,960
i'd like to get some more feedback on

1987
01:20:59,220 --> 01:21:03,430
[Music]

1988
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,790
it's not that

1989
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:06,800
the aliens you know

1990
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,480
always tell them consciously you know uh

1991
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,440
you need to clean this up or do this

1992
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,520
it's interesting i it seems like there's

1993
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,000
an effect that definitely takes place so

1994
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:20,639
many people have had these experiences

1995
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,760
are are so much more in tune with with

1996
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:25,440
nature

1997
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,120
jean who you heard up here gene robinson

1998
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:31,679
when i was working with her

1999
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,679
soon after some of her first

2000
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,520
recollections that she was having these

2001
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,719
experiences

2002
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,080
she saw a turtle crossing the road

2003
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,639
and she was just kind of watching it and

2004
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,480
marveling at it

2005
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:47,040
and and with new eyes so to speak with

2006
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,159
new eyes

2007
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,800
and here came a car down the road

2008
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,040
and instead of swerving to miss it it

2009
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:55,920
swerved to hit the turtle and it just

2010
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,639
tore her up that that had happened and

2011
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:01,040
she never reacted that way before

2012
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,480
and with so many people have been

2013
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:04,880
through this experience there is such a

2014
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,950
phenomenon that happens that tune them

2015
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,360
into nature i don't know

2016
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,199
where exactly it comes from whether it's

2017
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,120
like directly told to them or it's just

2018
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,040
part of the experience or what but there

2019
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,840
is definitely a phenomenon there

2020
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,440
so it's hard to answer in terms of

2021
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,560
whether they're told anything

2022
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:26,400
specifically to do there's just an

2023
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,990
one thing that i've noticed

2024
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:33,600
is that

2025
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,120
there will be

2026
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,639
a little bit like the time release

2027
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,560
capsules

2028
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:39,840
two weeks ago

2029
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,159
within a four hour period at night i had

2030
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,520
a phone call from four different

2031
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,040
abductees

2032
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,520
and each one of them there was one in

2033
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,440
oregon there was one in new jersey there

2034
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:51,920
was one in pennsylvania

2035
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,120
i think the other one was in maryland

2036
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:57,679
each one was just calling independently

2037
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,880
to say

2038
01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:59,920
linda

2039
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:02,560
last night i had the only way i could

2040
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:06,080
describe it was a virtual reality dream

2041
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,520
and

2042
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,840
debbie the kathy davis carried debbie

2043
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,199
tomy

2044
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,199
in illinois she was also i talked with

2045
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,120
her about that time

2046
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:17,920
well i had not heard the term from an

2047
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,080
abductee about having a virtual reality

2048
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,239
dream before

2049
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:23,840
a couple weeks ago

2050
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:24,639
in

2051
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,639
only the content and the subject matter

2052
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,560
of what they were describing all had to

2053
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,679
do with earthquakes volcanoes and high

2054
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,600
winds

2055
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:48,000
the first time that i had heard about

2056
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,840
the high wind

2057
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:52,719
dreams was in 1989

2058
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:55,440
then there were more people in 1990 who

2059
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,960
were saying they were

2060
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,280
having dreams not vivid dreams or not

2061
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,080
this three-dimensional color feeling but

2062
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,000
they were having dreams about seeing the

2063
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,880
planet being swept with increasingly

2064
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,440
higher higher winds

2065
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,120
worse storms

2066
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,880
the volcanoes have already already

2067
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,120
always been there in the earthquakes

2068
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,840
well over this evolution of the years

2069
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,080
when you suddenly would get on a night

2070
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,040
or two nights this pattern of abductees

2071
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,040
calling from all over the country

2072
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,120
i began to wonder about this this

2073
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,679
release of information and these changes

2074
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,360
there have been lots of arguments about

2075
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,840
whether the so-called screens that

2076
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,600
abductees have been presented about

2077
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:37,440
seeing the earth going through some kind

2078
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:40,639
of huge cataclysm was this a test or is

2079
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:43,679
this something being shown in the future

2080
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:46,400
regardless of what is the truth or not

2081
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:50,639
the truth there is a fact that abductees

2082
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:53,760
around the country at certain times seem

2083
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:57,040
to get releases in dreams or

2084
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,639
vivid dreams or now they're saying

2085
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,040
virtual reality dreams as if it's taking

2086
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:03,360
on a whole new character right now just

2087
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:04,639
suddenly

2088
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,679
and

2089
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,920
every time that there is this new

2090
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,000
agitation among the abductees that i

2091
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,159
know and stay in touch with me there

2092
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,080
always seems to be

2093
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,480
the bot the common denominator has to do

2094
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,080
with something having to do with the

2095
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,400
planet earth

2096
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:23,120
where this is going to head and lead i

2097
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:25,840
don't know but something

2098
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,400
seems to work at some subconscious level

2099
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:29,760
or other level

2100
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:36,629
i just wanted to add a little bit to

2101
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,960
what john was saying also

2102
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:41,520
that many of the experiencers

2103
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,040
um develop sensitivities to a multitude

2104
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,120
of different kinds of energies and

2105
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,520
natural phenomena as well because of

2106
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,880
their experience which

2107
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,480
which goes along with what john was

2108
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:54,000
saying about their attunement to the

2109
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,440
planet becomes

2110
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,679
very sharp they can sense earthquakes

2111
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,320
coming days to two weeks sometimes in

2112
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:02,239
advance

2113
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,120
they can feel shifts in

2114
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:07,520
in weather or other conditions in

2115
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,800
advance

2116
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,400
or they can tell when things are or

2117
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:12,480
slightly awry and their their attunement

2118
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,440
to the

2119
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,440
the workings and patterns of nature

2120
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,600
seems to be heightened in some way

2121
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:19,440
we've even tested some of these energy

2122
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,199
abilities at least in a rudimentary

2123
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,360
sense

2124
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,360
and shows that they can easily detect

2125
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,360
extreme magnetic fields and changes in

2126
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,080
those or another phenomenon that deals

2127
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:32,719
with stress in materials called tensor

2128
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:33,679
fields

2129
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:36,560
that that can also be tested and we

2130
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,840
there's more work needs to be done in

2131
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,199
this area to really quantify it

2132
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,600
scientifically but early indications are

2133
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:42,400
that

2134
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,639
different kinds of energies and

2135
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,600
and are are affected emotionally by

2136
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,600
changes that are going on to the earth

2137
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,920
and the the this may

2138
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,239
contribute to this growing concern that

2139
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,760
they have that the planet is about to

2140
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,120
tip on its side and everything's going

2141
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,480
to go crazy

2142
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:02,480
so it's kind of hard to tell

2143
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,840
if they're just really feeling more in

2144
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,080
tune with things or if these predictions

2145
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:07,679
that we keep hearing are really have

2146
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,709
[Music]

2147
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,719
anyone else have a comment on the panel

2148
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,120
said it

2149
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,679
any other questions from the audience

2150
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:24,159
this might be a short evening

2151
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,790
i'm interested in the

2152
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,440
the state of of mind or state of

2153
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,080
consciousness or maybe should say

2154
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:38,400
altered state of consciousness

2155
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,360
uh

2156
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,679
prior immediately prior to during and

2157
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:43,120
immediately after

2158
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,189
linda may have touched on an aspect of

2159
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:50,960
it with the dreams

2160
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,120
the and maybe i should be asking this to

2161
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,080
the uh abductees

2162
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:58,320
themselves and if if

2163
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:01,920
you have if you can answer the question

2164
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,800
i wish you would if the panelists can't

2165
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,320
um

2166
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,400
the accounts that i have read when i

2167
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:10,000
read them

2168
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:13,199
i get the idea or the impression of

2169
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:17,120
a dream a dream state at least my

2170
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,400
dream

2171
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,629
and and the particular

2172
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:27,199
curious thing is

2173
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,679
which is like my dream states i don't

2174
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,159
think the ridiculous things in my dreams

2175
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:34,320
are ridiculous until i wake up and

2176
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,280
become

2177
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:37,120
and think about them in with my

2178
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,320
conscious mind and and i and i get this

2179
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,480
from that this is possibly the case

2180
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,719
seems to be the case in the abduction

2181
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:46,639
experience

2182
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,440
and i would just like for someone to to

2183
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:50,960
talk about that

2184
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:53,920
uh some either you all or the

2185
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,400
actual

2186
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:59,760
yeah i'd like to start it and then

2187
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,870
in the west we have a very limited

2188
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,360
number of words for different states of

2189
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,280
consciousness in eastern

2190
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,760
thinking and religion there may be 50 80

2191
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,960
100

2192
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:14,800
words for for the different possible

2193
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,520
states we have uh conscious unconscious

2194
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,120
dream sleep

2195
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,199
we have hypnagogic states which means

2196
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,280
the state when you're falling asleep and

2197
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,719
hitting the pumpkin when you're waking

2198
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,560
up in that sort of in-between state and

2199
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,520
that's about it i guess you can have uh

2200
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,040
stupor if you're

2201
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,750
we really are very limited in what we

2202
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,480
know now this phenomenon forces us to

2203
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:40,400
think about subtleties and you know we

2204
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:43,360
don't like to think about subtleties uh

2205
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:44,560
so

2206
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,480
90 yeah numbers a high percentage of

2207
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:50,719
people will remember until they've had a

2208
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,520
chance to explore their abductions as

2209
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:56,000
dreams okay now when they call a dream

2210
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:57,679
is it a dream that recollects an

2211
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:59,520
abduction is it an abduction they're

2212
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:01,199
calling a dream there's all kinds of

2213
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,960
ways the word dream is you there's just

2214
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:04,400
an experience that happens at night you

2215
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,840
call it a dream because that's the way

2216
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,360
you were raised to think

2217
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,760
what uh i mentioned this afternoon and i

2218
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:11,600
want to stress it

2219
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:14,719
if you take a an abduction experiencer

2220
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,679
through the night of an experience

2221
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:19,679
there is that moment of truth when they

2222
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,159
realize they weren't really asleep when

2223
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,320
this happened now there's a sort of like

2224
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:26,080
you went to bed and it's very important

2225
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,760
to go you know reconstruct the events of

2226
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,120
the night like okay what time do you go

2227
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:30,800
to bed you're watching television and

2228
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:33,679
you went to bed and then what happened

2229
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,920
and then and then this light came in now

2230
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,679
but you didn't say you fell asleep and

2231
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,000
that's a moment of truth and at that

2232
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,639
moment a shift in consciousness occurs

2233
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,320
it's not as if they're just like an

2234
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,960
ordinary waking consciousness uh

2235
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,639
one of the people that bud and i have

2236
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:50,960
worked with in in new york describes

2237
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,840
it's as if the aliens come through a

2238
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,080
screen they break through uh it's like a

2239
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:57,920
scrim which is the the screen in the

2240
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,400
theater in it's as if they shatter one

2241
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:02,400
reality and come into this reality

2242
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,679
person is not asleep but they're in

2243
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:05,280
another state of consciousness but

2244
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:06,880
they're fully present in that state of

2245
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:08,400
consciousness but it's a different state

2246
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:10,000
of consciousness so it's a true

2247
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,600
experience but in another state of

2248
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:14,400
consciousness and we don't have language

2249
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,440
for that

2250
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,600
so that's just a starter this is a very

2251
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,520
important and very interesting subject a

2252
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:21,600
very good question

2253
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:23,840
um clark i'd like to say something

2254
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,159
having had the experience and had also

2255
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,320
having worked with and listened to many

2256
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,560
many other people with the experience

2257
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,800
in one instance

2258
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:35,520
when i had a daytime encounter

2259
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:37,679
i was in an altered state before i know

2260
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:39,679
i knew i was having an encounter it was

2261
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:42,880
almost technologically precise i was

2262
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:45,440
walking from one from a neighbor's yard

2263
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,360
to my yard and when i stepped i was

2264
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:49,679
perfectly fine on this side of the line

2265
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,239
i took a step over an invisible barrier

2266
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:55,440
which immediately put me into an altered

2267
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:59,360
state before i even saw the the ets

2268
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:01,840
so i felt it was very much an imposed

2269
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:04,320
external technologically produced state

2270
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,639
of mind so that when i looked up and saw

2271
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,880
the little beings there in the yard i

2272
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,719
didn't freak i did not act as i would

2273
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,400
have normally my normal state of

2274
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:15,040
consciousness was very much dampened and

2275
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:17,360
it was there was surprise there wasn't

2276
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,880
shock and fainting

2277
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:20,400
the same thing seems to happen with

2278
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:22,880
other people no matter there's a change

2279
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:24,800
in how you normally would react and i

2280
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:27,040
think it's imposed

2281
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:29,600
in some very external uh technological

2282
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,840
way for instance one abductee who was

2283
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,199
very upset about things that had

2284
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,600
happened with him and and had said the

2285
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,760
next time i get my little hands around

2286
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:40,000
their little necks i'm going to smash

2287
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,679
them in the face i'm really mad about

2288
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:43,520
this they're not going to do me this way

2289
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,159
anymore and he had a house guest staying

2290
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:48,480
at his house and when the house guest

2291
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:50,080
was asleep in the living room on the

2292
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,960
sofa the the host woke up in the middle

2293
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:55,280
of the night for no apparent reason and

2294
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:56,719
looked down the hallway and saw the

2295
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:58,239
little blue light

2296
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,159
probe that had been in his house several

2297
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:02,000
times before during experiences or

2298
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,400
before they on the onset of one he saw

2299
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,639
this bobbing over the head of the person

2300
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:08,000
who was sleeping in his living room on

2301
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:10,719
the couch and he had just said not three

2302
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:12,639
days before if i ever see him again i'm

2303
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,320
gonna give him this

2304
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:17,199
he looked up and said oh i know what

2305
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:18,480
that is

2306
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:20,000
out to sleep

2307
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,000
the next morning was doubly furious he

2308
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:23,600
had been thwarted in what he would have

2309
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,840
normally and naturally wish to do

2310
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,520
so it seems like there's an imposed

2311
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:29,520
state not perhaps

2312
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:31,120
dream state at all

2313
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:33,280
just something that dampens our normal

2314
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:35,840
response and that's how it feels really

2315
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:37,280
and it's in the daytime you know you're

2316
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,719
not sleeping when you're walking and

2317
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:40,560
talking and driving and cooking and so

2318
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,360
on

2319
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:45,280
so it's not like the dream state feels

2320
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:48,400
anyone else on the panel for that one

2321
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,350
i'd like to ask our steam panel a broad

2322
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,520
experience here

2323
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:01,600
a question perhaps you can't answer

2324
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:02,800
completely but give us some

2325
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,120
contributions from your experience

2326
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:07,520
to compare and contrast

2327
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:09,760
the information we're putting together

2328
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:12,639
on abductions meaning force by

2329
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:14,560
not giving you free will

2330
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:17,199
however you want to call that versus the

2331
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,040
contact voluntarily where there's no

2332
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:21,199
force what are we learning from these

2333
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,960
two are we getting similar data

2334
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,280
conflicting data and how is it coming

2335
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,440
about can you contrast

2336
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:29,600
and show the conflictions and contrast

2337
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:30,840
on

2338
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,840
this uh

2339
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:35,760
to start to answer that question i think

2340
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,480
it's important to know who comes to us

2341
01:34:44,229 --> 01:34:41,040
people who are coping people who

2342
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:44,239
um maybe remember things consciously or

2343
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,880
feel their contactees may never come to

2344
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,360
us for any kind of help so it's kind of

2345
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:52,080
skewed in terms of the population that

2346
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,520
we may see

2347
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:55,440
we see the people who are confused

2348
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:58,000
anxious sleepless irritable you know all

2349
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,600
those more traumatic responses

2350
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,440
and so they may see themselves more as

2351
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:05,760
abducted and terrorized or something

2352
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:11,830
so i i think that that was an important

2353
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:15,760
distinction in terms of comparison

2354
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:18,000
i would like to talk to a lot of people

2355
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:19,199
who

2356
01:35:22,149 --> 01:35:21,280
perhaps call themselves as contactees

2357
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,159
and have

2358
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:25,199
maybe more positive experiences

2359
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:27,679
just for that comparison but

2360
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,159
i think so much of what i do see comes

2361
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:33,360
because it comes to the label of trauma

2362
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:35,119
at least initially

2363
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:36,880
i do want to add that through my

2364
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:39,440
research

2365
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,719
that i would say about 50 percent end up

2366
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:44,560
feeling positive about it about 50

2367
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,760
percent

2368
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:46,719
don't

2369
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:49,040
even though at first they may have come

2370
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:52,639
for that in the initial traumatic um

2371
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:55,440
release that they need to work through

2372
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,159
well one of the things that i know in

2373
01:36:02,229 --> 01:35:59,920
letters and audio cassettes people have

2374
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,239
sent me that probably

2375
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:05,280
the second emotion after fear is anger

2376
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,400
and

2377
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,400
that there is a pattern in the people

2378
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,080
who feel that their will has been

2379
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,159
violated that they have been raped or

2380
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,159
there's a kind of a

2381
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:15,840
syndrome there

2382
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,400
i think it's also interesting that there

2383
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,960
are several men that have corresponded

2384
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:22,080
and

2385
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,520
you you were talking about will

2386
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:29,600
and versus violation or will or those

2387
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,840
who felt like that they had consciously

2388
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,920
acquiesced to do something versus those

2389
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,480
who felt that they had no choice well

2390
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:38,159
there is a couple of interesting

2391
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,199
twilight

2392
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:41,280
areas here that seems to involve both

2393
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:42,239
and

2394
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:45,280
in men uh one of these patterns that

2395
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,679
i've heard over and over again is where

2396
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,679
they feel in the beginning that they're

2397
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,239
having a sexual encounter with a pretty

2398
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:54,239
blonde woman or something

2399
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:55,040
and

2400
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:56,400
they are

2401
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,600
happy and willfully involved in this

2402
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,880
action

2403
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:02,800
and then

2404
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,600
you will hear them it's one or two

2405
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:07,520
versions i've heard

2406
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:08,320
they

2407
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:11,280
suddenly the blonde woman

2408
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:12,800
who they thought

2409
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,280
they were in a sexual relationship with

2410
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:18,000
is suddenly replaced by either a gray

2411
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,440
that's floating above them because they

2412
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:21,440
feel no physical pressure

2413
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,480
and or

2414
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,480
they suddenly see clearly whether the

2415
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,560
phenomenon releases this or there's

2416
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:28,719
something that the human mind and spirit

2417
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:31,520
forces through this wall they see the

2418
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,960
tubes and the machines that are hooked

2419
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,119
up to their genitals at that moment they

2420
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,360
feel complete and total humiliation and

2421
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:40,320
rage now i've seen that pattern

2422
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:43,600
and one man uh just three nights ago who

2423
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,800
has had this happen to him several times

2424
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:49,520
he called because he's been going

2425
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:52,159
through as of ebb and flow of

2426
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,520
vacillation

2427
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:55,119
between i am

2428
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:57,679
i am finally getting ready to deal with

2429
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,960
them on a conscious level i am going to

2430
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:03,679
break through this strange state and he

2431
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:05,440
called the other night to tell me that

2432
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:06,400
he was

2433
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,080
conscious and that there was a golf

2434
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,880
ball-sized glowing white light in the

2435
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,800
bedroom which he saw move what he

2436
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,639
estimated to be about five feet through

2437
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,679
the air

2438
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,679
but he said that he was struck with a

2439
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,000
terror that was as deep and abiding as

2440
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:25,040
anything he'd ever experienced before

2441
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,080
well

2442
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,960
just a week or so before he had said i

2443
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:30,400
am ready

2444
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,280
for

2445
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,520
conscious encounter

2446
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,440
now there's something about these golf

2447
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,080
ball size baseball size

2448
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,560
softball sized lights

2449
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,119
uh for i'm sure all of us here and and

2450
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,199
those of you out there it is

2451
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,880
prevalent throughout the abduction

2452
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,960
literature and the experiences

2453
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,360
and i've wondered are they some kind of

2454
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:53,920
an advanced tv telephone

2455
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,800
communication system it's come in place

2456
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:59,040
to make some kind of communication

2457
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,320
and yet

2458
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,119
i know more abductees are so terrified

2459
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,840
of these glowing light balls and the few

2460
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,080
that have relaxed into a place

2461
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,400
eventually after they've come and gone

2462
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,320
they get some kind of communication from

2463
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:14,480
them so what i'm trying to say is is

2464
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:17,840
that when it comes to this issue of

2465
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,000
uh saying i they want an experience

2466
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,840
the phenomenon seems to come back with

2467
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:26,719
something that would seem to be now

2468
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,760
up front center and conscious but we all

2469
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:31,520
still seem to have a great deal of

2470
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:33,679
difficulty even dealing with a ball of

2471
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,920
light

2472
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:38,159
i i would like to say about the contact

2473
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,760
and

2474
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,760
uh division

2475
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,600
that for the

2476
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:45,360
working purpose i think you need to

2477
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,119
define what those things are and

2478
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,600
abduction is where someone is taken

2479
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:51,520
forcibly or against their will and a

2480
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:53,920
contact is where you have an exchange of

2481
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:55,840
information where nobody is forced to do

2482
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,080
anything it's easy to say that two

2483
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,880
things are not alike and the same things

2484
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:02,320
can happen within one person's

2485
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,600
experience

2486
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,920
now there are those who do think they

2487
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,159
have gone willingly once the intrusion

2488
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,920
is started but if you remember how

2489
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,560
artificially and technologically easy it

2490
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,880
is for these people to change our moods

2491
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,040
and change our minds and change our

2492
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,280
even our sensory input from pain to

2493
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,280
pleasure from fear to love

2494
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,360
instantaneously then we don't really

2495
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:25,199
know when we go by ourselves if we're

2496
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:26,639
going willingly or if we're going

2497
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,080
because we've been made to feel we're

2498
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,000
going willingly so

2499
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:31,920
i tr i tend to say if they don't take

2500
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,760
you anywhere under any conditions you've

2501
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,440
had a contact if they've taken you

2502
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:36,400
anywhere

2503
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:41,590
because a contact is simply a talk an

2504
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:47,109
is that it

2505
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,239
another question

2506
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,719
uh concerning government involvement or

2507
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,880
military involvement in abductions does

2508
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,719
this not take place when the person is

2509
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,560
sort of coming out of the closet and

2510
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,159
starting to

2511
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,239
talk about it or get

2512
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,400
therapy or something what what what's

2513
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,560
when does this happen

2514
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:08,320
some people doesn't think it happens at

2515
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,390
in one case it happened before the

2516
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,639
person even knew there was anything and

2517
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:19,040
certainly hadn't come out of the closet

2518
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,040
in another case it had happened uh

2519
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,119
before anyone except the immediate

2520
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,880
family knew so there was no coming out

2521
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,239
of the closet i don't think it has

2522
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,480
anything to do with trying to keep you

2523
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,400
from talking because for a lot of us it

2524
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:32,480
really pushes you to talk

2525
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:35,600
yeah i would tend to agree with that too

2526
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:38,560
obviously leah who you heard today is

2527
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:39,280
the

2528
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,960
interesting where

2529
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:50,880
uh the person who didn't know much about

2530
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,880
the phenomena would say

2531
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,800
you know i think something happened last

2532
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:56,639
night and the other thing that's strange

2533
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,679
is that

2534
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:59,520
these black helicopters were roaring

2535
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:01,040
through the valley this morning we've

2536
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,719
never seen those before i wonder why

2537
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,119
they're circling our house

2538
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:07,040
you know and they hadn't even explored

2539
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:08,639
the experience but you know it gave me

2540
01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:11,360
the feeling sometimes that

2541
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,840
there was some kind of surveillance

2542
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,600
certainly when we know that satellites

2543
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:18,000
can read newspapers from space

2544
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,679
that some of these objects just might be

2545
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,280
tracked somehow and they might know

2546
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:23,119
where they're going

2547
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,639
in maryland there have been several of

2548
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,480
us involved with the investigation of a

2549
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,119
case of a woman who last june

2550
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:31,360
was waked up with a pulsing uh blue

2551
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:32,239
light

2552
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,159
coming through the shades in the bedroom

2553
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,239
it's a very small house i've been in

2554
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,840
this house

2555
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:39,199
and uh

2556
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,000
for some reason that's still not clear

2557
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,880
she never opened up the shades she did

2558
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,800
go to the doorway to see in the living

2559
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,480
room and she could also see the light

2560
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,040
pulsing there she never made any

2561
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,199
aggressive action to go out of the house

2562
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:55,679
or anything but the next morning there

2563
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,320
was a 14-foot diameter circle

2564
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,480
in the front yard which we did get soil

2565
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,560
samples from we were able to find that

2566
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,639
there were some very strange biochemical

2567
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,239
changes actually in the seed in the

2568
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,679
grass

2569
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:08,719
and

2570
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:11,920
she began to have helicopters

2571
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:13,520
of

2572
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,800
we think

2573
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:16,639
military nature

2574
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,520
um over the house on such a regular

2575
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:22,000
basis that a mufon investigator went

2576
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,199
with a

2577
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:24,400
camcorder

2578
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:27,040
videotaped this uh there were other

2579
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,560
researchers who would be on the

2580
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:30,400
telephone with her and all of a sudden

2581
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:31,840
the phone they couldn't even talk on the

2582
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,400
phone because the sound in the house was

2583
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,719
so loud

2584
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:38,480
one day

2585
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,280
uh

2586
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,119
feeling like she was going out of her

2587
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:43,199
skin she said i'm going to forget all

2588
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,119
this i'm going to lie down

2589
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,080
on a chair in the backyard in the sun

2590
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,960
i'm going to make this all go away

2591
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,360
and she was lying feeling relaxed for

2592
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,440
the first time in a while in the sun and

2593
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:56,960
she said it was like somebody leaned

2594
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,960
over her and the shadow came across her

2595
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:01,119
face and her head and she opened up her

2596
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:03,199
eyes expecting to see her husband

2597
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,199
leaning over

2598
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:07,920
and she said approximately 10 feet above

2599
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:10,560
her was a helicopter

2600
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,360
and the helicopter she said was

2601
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:15,840
all beige

2602
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:18,320
and she said she couldn't see through

2603
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,520
the windows

2604
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,360
and she was going on in these new

2605
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,320
details about this helicopter

2606
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,360
and i said well the sound must have been

2607
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,199
horrific

2608
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,600
and she said well there wasn't any sound

2609
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,360
and i said well there must have been

2610
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:35,199
things must have been blowing this is 10

2611
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:36,560
feet above you

2612
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:39,920
she said no it was very still

2613
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,199
well

2614
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,920
that is not a helicopter as i understand

2615
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,159
helicopters in terrestrial terms

2616
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,480
interacting with air molecules

2617
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:49,760
so

2618
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,880
again we've got this camouflage i don't

2619
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,639
know what it is

2620
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:56,880
um where this

2621
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:58,719
thing was

2622
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,280
she thought a military helicopter well

2623
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,119
interestingly enough one of the

2624
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:05,679
investigators in maryland began doing

2625
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,560
some research through a congressman

2626
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,880
and they were able to push this case

2627
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,719
actually to

2628
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:14,719
some agencies and they got back a

2629
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:18,800
response that there was a classified

2630
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,199
national security reason for why

2631
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,040
helicopters were in that neighborhood

2632
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:25,280
and they would not define it and that's

2633
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,159
as of a couple of months ago

2634
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,560
we don't know what more she she still

2635
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:32,560
has helicopters over the house but i

2636
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,920
think there's an example of

2637
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,080
hearing and seeing real helicopters and

2638
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,159
then what was this thing 10 feet above

2639
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:42,239
her on on

2640
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,910
anyone else

2641
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:49,840
i'll just make a brief comment about

2642
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:51,199
this uh

2643
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,239
it's a hard question to answer because

2644
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:56,800
it seems to be very complex you'll have

2645
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:58,880
one witness over here who's having

2646
01:46:02,629 --> 01:46:00,480
experiences with gray's never saw a

2647
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,639
government person or helicopter their

2648
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,560
entire life of experiences

2649
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,239
another person that seems to be involved

2650
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,000
with a group exactly like this other

2651
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,560
woman is harassed continuously by

2652
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,800
helicopters government people sometimes

2653
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:14,560
they're even abducted maybe by the

2654
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:16,800
government and and interrogated or

2655
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:18,400
examined to see what the aliens are up

2656
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:20,400
to maybe who knows

2657
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,400
and then you have other cases like

2658
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,840
what bill talked about where the

2659
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:25,280
government and the aliens seem to be

2660
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,639
working together

2661
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,400
what the hell does this all mean you

2662
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:30,480
know i mean are there we have three

2663
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:31,760
different groups with three different

2664
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:32,960
motives and they just happen to look

2665
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:35,760
alike you know maybe

2666
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,880
and when does the government get

2667
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:38,400
involved are they understaffed maybe

2668
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,600
they just can't handle all the abductees

2669
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:44,159
you know i i don't know but it seems

2670
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:45,920
like uh though all those kind of

2671
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:50,470
okay

2672
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:55,910
you pointed out that it takes a lot of

2673
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:57,520
commitment and sensitivity for a

2674
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:59,600
therapist to work with these people how

2675
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:01,600
are you going to determine who's got the

2676
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:10,229
um i won't determine that the abductee

2677
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,629
they will know who feels right to them

2678
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,000
uh the person may have all the

2679
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:20,000
credentials in the world they can be a

2680
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,360
total jerk

2681
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,709
no names

2682
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,800
and then there's some who have

2683
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:30,400
very little training but their hearts in

2684
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,159
the right place they have intelligence

2685
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,679
maturity

2686
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:35,760
they have enough skills to do the right

2687
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,560
thing

2688
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:38,719
and i applaud them

2689
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:40,239
so uh

2690
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:41,119
i

2691
01:48:09,189 --> 01:47:59,440
that

2692
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:11,750
work uh requires some kind of a new

2693
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,520
field um

2694
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,440
that uh there might be mental health

2695
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,360
professionals that would be qualified to

2696
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:19,119
be in it but i would not like to see it

2697
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:20,719
restricted to

2698
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,000
mental health professionals first of all

2699
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,679
we've got more to unlearn

2700
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:25,360
than

2701
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,950
are natural to this field now so be what

2702
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,480
i think the question should be asked is

2703
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,560
who what what is what are the natural

2704
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:39,040
gifts that people need to enter this

2705
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:41,840
field i i'm working with an assistant in

2706
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,119
boston uh pam casey who has had no

2707
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,880
mental health training at all she's not

2708
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:48,880
an abductee and yet she's an absolute

2709
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,360
natural in working with people knows

2710
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,480
what to say when is open

2711
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,239
can hold affect i think one of the

2712
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,480
qualities is the capacity

2713
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:00,639
to be there with a person who's

2714
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,360
undergoing extraordinarily powerful

2715
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,520
affect about a matter which is not

2716
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:07,360
explainable

2717
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:10,000
now mental health professionals are very

2718
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,440
it's very important i think a lot of

2719
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,440
people go into my field

2720
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,360
because they want to be able to explain

2721
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:16,639
the things that have troubled them in

2722
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,119
their lives and this is to to be with

2723
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,360
mystery that is so powerful that

2724
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:23,440
challenges our reality

2725
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,599
at the same time the sensitivity

2726
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,320
that john and you are talking about it i

2727
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:30,080
think it requires a

2728
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,480
that we perhaps invent a new field which

2729
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:33,920
will have mental health professionals

2730
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,679
but we'll have some other folks too and

2731
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:37,679
then to develop training programs that

2732
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,480
are specific to this kind and related

2733
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:43,440
work

2734
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:47,760
thing is that one of the things i have

2735
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:49,599
found is that

2736
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:50,719
people

2737
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:53,599
need somebody to listen to them

2738
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:58,080
without feeling any judgment and that

2739
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:59,520
i have

2740
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,480
just

2741
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,800
held more men and women

2742
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,199
who just began to sob and there's

2743
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:07,280
nothing more i can do than just hold

2744
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:08,320
them

2745
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:09,599
and yet

2746
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:12,159
that in itself seems to be a kind of

2747
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,599
catharsis

2748
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:16,800
and i've experienced that many times and

2749
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:18,000
there

2750
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:24,000
compassion is the area uh and we are

2751
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,520
dealing with something that is so

2752
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,320
unknown and unpredictable but that is

2753
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,719
one thing every one of us can give each

2754
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,360
other is more compassion and less

2755
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:35,840
criticism and judgment and if you have

2756
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,480
somebody who is trying to tell you an

2757
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:40,480
experience that just sounds like it is

2758
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,520
completely over the top to you

2759
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,840
at your subtitle level

2760
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:47,280
just listen

2761
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,960
talk it all the way out some nights when

2762
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:55,679
i feel like i am so exhausted and i want

2763
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:57,599
to lie down

2764
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,599
and you get the phone call and you know

2765
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:02,159
it's going to be an hour at least

2766
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,960
but

2767
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:05,599
somehow everybody keeps going through

2768
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:08,159
this kind of together and i think that's

2769
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,920
really another important part of this in

2770
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:12,080
addition to what the professionals

2771
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,800
uh

2772
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,199
have to be able to provide too

2773
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,760
yeah you can't teach people compassion

2774
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,320
there's no certification for that that's

2775
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:22,320
something the person working with with

2776
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,760
the researcher will know or the

2777
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,520
investigator will know there's also a

2778
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:27,440
great deal of intuition involved in this

2779
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,960
and again you can't learn it i think

2780
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,880
there are some born people to work with

2781
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,880
this and there are some people that all

2782
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,320
the training in the world would not make

2783
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:36,400
competent to do so

2784
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,669
next

2785
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,470
um after you get past the if this is

2786
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:48,080
happening questions or how this is

2787
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:49,520
happening questions it just kind of

2788
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,520
leaves one question left why is it

2789
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:55,510
out of all your research and everything

2790
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:57,119
what's what's your best guess

2791
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:06,790
i want an answer from everyone

2792
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:07,290
next

2793
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,280
[Laughter]

2794
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:11,679
oh that's the big one uh

2795
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:14,239
jeez we would probably all give you a

2796
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:16,000
different answer on that i mean there's

2797
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,560
so many possibilities and you probably

2798
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,400
heard the different theories

2799
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:22,159
i really don't like to speculate

2800
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,599
speculate i mean

2801
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,280
when people ask that question i will

2802
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,119
list maybe five different theories like

2803
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,760
you know it's to save us is to save them

2804
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,239
it's to save the planet it's uh none of

2805
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,080
that it's scientific research it's like

2806
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,639
what we do with wildlife on and on

2807
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,400
and there's no one thing that sticks out

2808
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,880
in my mind uh in fact more recently it

2809
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:42,960
seems like maybe it's more

2810
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,800
spiritual related maybe it's some

2811
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:47,440
evolution of consciousness and and

2812
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:50,960
um like in 2001 the monolith appears and

2813
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,719
then all of a sudden everybody's doing

2814
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,040
new and neat different things it's like

2815
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:58,080
maybe it's something like that

2816
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:01,920
i don't know and it gets tricky

2817
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:05,520
getting into all the speculation

2818
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:14,790
not none of us want to deal with this

2819
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:21,189
sometimes i feel like i'm

2820
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:22,719
in one of those rooms you know the

2821
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,119
dances or they had the all the mirror

2822
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:27,280
the faceted mirrors

2823
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:28,159
and

2824
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,320
which wall you look at

2825
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:34,239
and it moves and it moves and it moves

2826
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,159
that's the way this whole phenomenon

2827
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:38,560
feels and that means

2828
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,599
the multiple facets that go beyond uh

2829
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,280
the human abduction involves the

2830
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:45,599
mutilations the crop circles

2831
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:48,719
uh the whole area of uh what used to be

2832
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:51,119
called parapsychology esp mental

2833
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:53,520
telepathy is all of it seems in some way

2834
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:55,040
or another to have some relationship

2835
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,560
here

2836
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:58,239
but

2837
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,280
if i had i guess

2838
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:03,760
one honest

2839
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,440
gut reaction

2840
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,679
to all of this

2841
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:09,520
i really do believe that there is

2842
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:12,480
something in conflict about us and i

2843
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,000
think that there are

2844
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:16,719
forces uh that are ebbing and flowing of

2845
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,520
which and around us a lot of the time we

2846
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:21,360
seem to be unconscious

2847
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:23,119
of the ebbing and the flowing of these

2848
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:29,990
jacques villa calls it a control system

2849
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:32,080
i've tended to use simply the word

2850
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:34,800
another intelligence

2851
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,669
i really do feel that

2852
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,560
at least two somethings

2853
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:47,119
are in conflict

2854
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:49,679
and whether or not all of the old

2855
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:53,360
literature and biblical perspectives of

2856
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,440
the light and the dark whatever words

2857
01:55:00,310 --> 01:54:57,199
you want to put on it

2858
01:55:01,350 --> 01:55:00,320
are involved something along those lines

2859
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,360
i think

2860
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:03,679
is inherent to the nature of what we are

2861
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:08,080
dealing with and that it is forcing um

2862
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:10,080
it is forcing us

2863
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,159
to deal with things we don't want to

2864
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:14,639
deal with because of the complexities of

2865
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:16,159
the ebb and flow of the forces and

2866
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:28,629
as different as some of these

2867
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:30,800
experiences are when that talked about

2868
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,960
earlier other various groups having

2869
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,040
various agendas i think that it's

2870
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:37,040
undoubtedly true that there is at least

2871
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:38,880
one group that harvests from us

2872
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:40,000
something

2873
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,320
maybe more than one thing they we have

2874
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:43,920
something they want and they come and

2875
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,880
get it there is another seems to be

2876
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:49,199
another group that tries to elevate

2877
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:51,599
impart educate teach and teach us in

2878
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:54,320
some way how to maybe resist this other

2879
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,159
thing and i think that's the sense of

2880
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:57,920
conflict that comes across again and

2881
01:56:01,830 --> 01:56:00,320
again and again we have something one

2882
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,840
group wants and they don't care how they

2883
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,320
get it they get it another

2884
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:06,159
force i won't even say group because

2885
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:08,639
sometimes they are only information and

2886
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,159
not be not

2887
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:12,000
actually there seems to be trying to

2888
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:13,199
help us

2889
01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:15,440
find a way to be

2890
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,960
strong enough

2891
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:18,880
are evolved enough or in some way

2892
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:22,000
resisted enough to take charge of and

2893
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:23,520
take control of these things that are

2894
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:25,199
taking from us

2895
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,080
and

2896
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,560
i sometimes i think maybe we're the good

2897
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,400
et's the ones who are trying to do this

2898
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:32,320
maybe we did come down here and and

2899
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:34,239
incarnate to do this sort of battle it

2900
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:36,000
comes across from many abductees that's

2901
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:38,239
exactly how they feel and you begin to

2902
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:40,239
see that's not altogether a crazy

2903
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:41,679
possibility

2904
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:43,760
and yet there is a group that does

2905
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:45,760
very much disregard anything about us

2906
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,840
spiritually there's something at the

2907
01:56:52,270 --> 01:56:50,400
heart of this involving our souls

2908
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:52,280
maybe they don't have them

2909
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,159
[Music]

2910
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:57,119
before um before we continue with the

2911
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,560
questions

2912
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:00,400
we are going to end this at 11

2913
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,280
officially and any of you that do want

2914
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,440
to stick around and ask more questions

2915
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,199
that the researchers can do so but

2916
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:09,840
anyone you're free to leave at 11 and

2917
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:11,599
that includes anyone in the panel some

2918
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:13,040
would like to get some sleep tonight i

2919
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:14,000
think

2920
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,520
reply

2921
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:19,199
to the question that was on the floor is

2922
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,149
okay i um

2923
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,080
a teenage girl

2924
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,639
said to her a grandmother who

2925
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,960
said something that was disturbing to

2926
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,199
her in a publicly embarrassing way

2927
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:37,520
grandma you missed an extraordinary

2928
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:39,440
opportunity to keep your mouth shut uh

2929
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:43,440
in that uh and i i i'm not taking that

2930
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,199
advice unfortunately

2931
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:47,360
well just one quick thought about that

2932
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:49,760
ultimate question we tend to think of us

2933
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:51,199
and them

2934
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:53,840
but one way to think one might think

2935
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:55,280
about it is

2936
01:57:59,189 --> 01:57:56,880
that there's some kind of a coming

2937
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,199
together that is a relationship and that

2938
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:00,960
the intelligence that's bringing us

2939
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:03,440
together is not ours or

2940
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:05,920
theirs that the motivational structure

2941
01:58:10,070 --> 01:58:07,520
is in some

2942
01:58:12,629 --> 01:58:10,080
higher level or whatever and that

2943
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,639
they get something from it

2944
01:58:16,629 --> 01:58:14,800
maybe some kind of embodiment some sort

2945
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,639
of biological

2946
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,960
evolution and we get something

2947
01:58:21,910 --> 01:58:20,159
which is some opening of our

2948
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:21,920
consciousness some kind of

2949
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:22,960
re

2950
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:27,520
whole thing is orchestrated not at our

2951
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:30,320
level uh and that maybe i'm just getting

2952
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:31,760
a little dotty because it's late at

2953
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:34,480
night here but i i really wonder if

2954
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:36,480
there isn't another consciousness some

2955
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:37,440
kind of

2956
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:40,159
divine consciousness that may be

2957
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:43,520
uh at work here and isn't us or them but

2958
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:46,639
that we are in a program not of our own

2959
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:48,480
making i mean that's the ultimate loss

2960
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,560
of control

2961
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:52,400
definitely

2962
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:53,760
yeah i'd like to

2963
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:55,119
to actually attempt to answer the

2964
01:58:58,470 --> 01:58:56,320
question

2965
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:58,480
it's my personal opinion of course but

2966
01:59:01,910 --> 01:59:00,239
starting from where john just left off

2967
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:01,920
this lofty place is where i'd like to

2968
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,480
start as opposed to why this abductee or

2969
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:07,040
that or this contactee why the whole

2970
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:08,000
thing

2971
01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:10,239
why the interaction going on touching on

2972
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:11,840
this concept

2973
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,800
is that uh imagine humanity

2974
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,320
walking along the ground and coming to

2975
01:59:19,510 --> 01:59:17,520
this fence

2976
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:19,520
and we climb up on the fence and i mean

2977
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:21,520
all of humanity we climb up on the fence

2978
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:23,840
and for some reason we liked it up there

2979
01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:25,199
and instead of just sitting on the fence

2980
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:27,520
we've built a a grand tree house up

2981
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:28,880
there and we've really entrenched

2982
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:31,280
ourselves on the top of this fence

2983
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:33,119
and uh maybe the reason that all of

2984
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:34,880
these things are happening is because

2985
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:36,480
somebody's saying you're you're not

2986
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:37,760
supposed to be sitting on the fence

2987
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:40,320
please get off and we're going no no we

2988
01:59:44,550 --> 01:59:42,400
like it up here we like it up here

2989
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:44,560
so some of the people went uh some of

2990
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:46,000
humanity said okay i'll get off and we

2991
01:59:49,270 --> 01:59:47,760
jumped off and went on

2992
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:49,280
and uh some of the people said no we're

2993
01:59:52,470 --> 01:59:51,040
stand we like the fence

2994
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:52,480
okay so then

2995
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:53,360
enter

2996
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:56,400
the not so nice influence that says get

2997
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:59,440
off the fence and smack you off of there

2998
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:00,239
both

2999
02:00:07,589 --> 02:00:04,719
valid the point is get off the fence and

3000
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:07,599
get moving get your consciousness going

3001
02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:09,840
again and broaden yourself and

3002
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:12,000
understand what what is really going on

3003
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:13,679
and you can have some nasty lizard

3004
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:15,040
aliens drag you on board and do all

3005
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:16,800
kinds of rude things to you and that

3006
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:18,880
might help get you off the fence or you

3007
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:21,040
can say okay i'll get down and go on my

3008
02:00:26,629 --> 02:00:23,199
way whatever the whatever the reasoning

3009
02:00:28,709 --> 02:00:26,639
is maybe the whole thing is uh is

3010
02:00:29,589 --> 02:00:28,719
telling us to get to to get on about our

3011
02:00:32,070 --> 02:00:29,599
way

3012
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:32,080
and i i think that 20 years ago it was

3013
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:34,159
really easy to be a ufologist

3014
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:35,760
compared to what it is now because back

3015
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:36,639
then

3016
02:00:40,229 --> 02:00:38,560
the phenomenon was over there it flew

3017
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:40,239
around it landed once a while we got

3018
02:00:43,830 --> 02:00:41,760
excited about that

3019
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:43,840
uh abduction phenomenon was something

3020
02:00:46,790 --> 02:00:45,760
that was like pretty bizarre in those

3021
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,800
days

3022
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:48,960
now it is very personal

3023
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:52,159
the ufo phenomenon is purse we are all

3024
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:53,920
personally involved in one way or

3025
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:54,880
another

3026
02:00:58,950 --> 02:00:56,960
directly with this phenomenon we have

3027
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:58,960
never been able to get information

3028
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:01,199
directly from the source before like we

3029
02:01:05,109 --> 02:01:03,679
do now meaning abductees contactees and

3030
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:05,119
the researchers are right there in the

3031
02:01:08,229 --> 02:01:06,560
middle of it as well

3032
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:08,239
so it is something that we're all